Sunday, February 08, 2009

"The Little Prince" Analysis!

After some pretty brain-intensive weeks of analyses to kick off this season of Lost, this week looks to be a welcome respite. There's still plenty to analyze, but the subject matters are a lot more straight-forward than some of the uber-heady concepts we've been dealing with thus far (like time travel, destiny, string theories vs. infinite loops, and chicken vs. the egg discussions) - which honestly, is a little refreshing. My brain could use a little break so I can get back to killing it with beer without having huge negative repercussions for the Blog. Let's do it!

  

 

November 1, 2004. The episode started with our Skipping Survivors visiting a period of time that we have already seen once - November 1st, 2004. We saw from a distance Locke banging on the Swan Hatch (which definitely gave me chills to see and hear again, as it's one of the most powerful single scenes that Lost has ever produced), and Sawyer stumbling upon Kate helping Claire give birth to Aaron… before quickly skipping to the next time period jump. The question is - was this a missed opportunity from a storyline perspective by not giving our Skipping Survivors the chance to interact with themselves? Or was this intentional, since any of these types of interactions would open a whole new can of worms and ridiculous theories on the Internet that the Lost writers didn't want to deal with? I suppose there is always the chance that our Survivors will skip back to the Fall of 2004 again - giving them the chance to run into themselves or learn previously unknown secrets about their fellow Survivors, but something tells me that the writers understood that time travel is a tricky concept to deal with, especially on a show like Lost where people are going to over-analyze everything and look for definitive, pseudo-scientific answers. So while the inner-Lost-geek inside of all of us would have loved to see that 2005 Locke was actually pretending to be 2004 Locke when he gave some cryptic speech to the Survivors, proving that the writers of Lost have been planning this exact storyline all along… maybe it's for the better that we only got a taste, since it keeps the repercussions and confusions to a minimum. With everything else we have going on, maybe it's all for the best.

 

(The one curious thing I'll note about the brief time spent on November 1, 2004 is that Locke seemed to know that he needed to stay away from himself. Later, he kept questioning Sawyer about who he saw - maybe afraid that he had run into himself? Did Locke know that it was a cosmic no-no to run into yourself because he saw Back to the Future back in the day? Or was the Island somehow "telling" him that it would be a bad idea subconsciously? Or was it just to make things convenient and avoid the can of worms referenced above?)

  

 

Sometime After January 2005. At any rate, before we knew it our Survivors had skipped to a new time period - but when? Based on their camp being somewhat run-down it had to be after January 2005 when the skipping started. I think the biggest clue is the inclusion of the Outriggers with the Ajira Airways water bottle. For those who don’t remember, Ajira Airways first briefly appeared in some of the Lost off-season videos that popped up on the Internet, and even has its own website: http:www.ajiraairways.com/ - it seemed like it would be involved with the failed Lost ARG over the summer, but quickly died when budgetary reasons ended the ARG in the fall. Most people (myself included) theorized that Ajira Airways would be the new Oceanic Airlines - it would be the vessel responsible for bringing the Oceanic Six back to the Island. If this is true, then I think the best guess is that this skip took place in 2008, close to "present time" for the Oceanic Six.


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As a lot of people have mentioned, odds are we are going to eventually see the Outrigger chase scene from the perspective of the mysterious people in the back boat, since it seems like the most logical way to reveal to the audience who they were and why they were shooting on our Survivors. The thing is, unless our Skipping Survivors skip back to the exact same time period and place, we could never see that scene from their perspective again. Instead, the only way we'd see it is from the perspective of some other characters. Since we have yet to spend any substantial time with the Others (keep in mind the two we know the best - Ben and Juliet - are neither "true Others", but post-Dharma residents on the Island), it seems unlikely that we would have the storyline shift to their perspective in the foreseeable future. That only leaves Oceanic Six - or some other new characters introduced through their storyline - as the only possible options to get the audience back to that scene again. Since the Oceanic Six are not skipping through time (at least not yet), I'm guessing it puts this scene at 2008 or later.

 

Backriggers. So who are those shady people in the back Outrigger (which I will term "Backriggers" from here on out)? And why were they shooting at our Skipping Survivors? As I rambled in my Instant Reactions, thanks to the potential for time jumps on Lost, it literally could be anyone. Let's weigh the options, one at a time:

 

1. It's the Skipping Survivors themselves. I don't know why, but some people seem to be huge fans of this theory, since initially it appears to be the biggest "shock" reveal imaginable. They reason that at some point, our Survivors will skip back to the beach just a few moments later in time than when they were originally there and see themselves leaving on the Outrigger. For some unknown reason, they chase after themselves and shoot after themselves, even though they should know that they can't change the past, won't catch them, all their bullets will miss, and it will result in Juliet shooting one of them before they quickly jump to the next time period.

 

See why it doesn't make any sense?

 

2. It's the Oceanic Six. Again, this has a similar feeling of providing a big "shock reveal" but is a bit more logical than the first option. Here, we could argue that the Oceanic Six land on Alcatraz (in a Ajira Airways plane), and then take the Outriggers over to the main Island. While searching for the Skipping Survivors in the jungle, they realize someone is taking one of the Outriggers. They must not think it is our Survivors (or else why shoot at them instead of yelling out to them?) and chase after them. Maybe Widmore has followed the Oceanic Six to the Island they think it's him or his men taking the Outrigger to do something evil. The story has some logic behind it while keeping the same shocking impact of having Juliet shoot (and possibly kill) one of the Oceanic Six without even realizing it.


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It's the best of both worlds.

 

3. It's someone totally different. This could be the Others, Widmore's Men, or some new group of rogue Ajira Airways employees who stumble upon the Island. The only real "truth" is that at some point this group of people picked up an Ajira Airways water bottle. I would also argue that they actually came from a larger vessel that is nearby (such as a plane sitting on Alcatraz or a boat sitting off-shore), since there is no way those two little Outriggers could make such a long journey on their own. It would be easy to come up with some type of storyline for them, but it lacks a lot of emotional punch. Bad guys shooting at our Survivors? That's to be expected. Juliet shooting and killing one of them? No big deal.

 

So it's possible, but it's not that much fun.

 

But because I'm crazy, I'm going to throw out a fourth theory that is probably a stretch, but it came to mind, so I'll write it down...

 

4. It's the Oceanic Six, and they know exactly what they are doing. The difference here is that the Oceanic Six realize it is the Skipping Survivors that have taken the Outrigger… and they are shooting at them anyways. In this scenario, it would mean that our Skipping Survivors screwed up something big time between 2005 and 2008, and they are attempting to stop them from doing so. But they should know that this is a futile effort, since you can't change the past, right? Maybe not. Not if they have "The Wild Card" with them - Desmond. Although they haven't really specifically told us how Desmond is "special", we've already seen that he has the ability to have his past consciousness relay information to his current consciousness. In my mind, that's already one way of changing the past - who is to say that he wouldn't also be able to literally change the future by changing the past? Although Locke couldn't shoot Widmore when he was running away, maybe Desmond would be able to shoot our Skipping Survivors since he is special. This would introduce an impossible situation where Desmond was forced to shoot and kill one of his former friends (my vote would be he was aiming for Locke), but he struggles with a head vs. heart situation where he knows he needs to do it to save the world, but can't bring himself to actually do it… thus, the bullets would all be missing. Just to add some additional emotional drama on the situation, Juliet turns around and fires a bullet on the Backriggers, not knowing who they are - and hits / kills Penny Widmore, who is along for the ride.

 

  

Like I said, probably a little too insane of a scenario - but it's a way that everything could unfold in a very shocking way.

 

Jin. Speaking of shocking, this week confirmed that Jin is actually alive and well, and apparently has unknowingly been skipping around in time on a piece of Freighter debris for the past few days. Before we discuss, I thought I'd go back and review my analysis from last season's finale… which still seems pretty much spot-on. So rather than re-invent the wheel, I'm going to copy and paste it and then we can discuss:

 

Immediately after the episode, I was pretty certain that Jin also died this episode – all the foreshadowing was there for a tragic death (forgiving Sun for cheating on him, being a “hero” by staying with Michael until the last minute, promising Sun he would get her off the Island, narrowly missing rescue)… but without getting firm visual evidence, the writers seemed to leave the door cracked slightly open – leaving the slim possibility for Jin to have survived, no matter how improbable.

 

First, the obvious reasons why Jin died - he was last seen on the deck of the Freighter right before it exploded and the shots of the explosion and aftermath didn’t feature a visible Jin. Given the rushed filming and finishing of the season finale, we could chalk this up to quick and dirty CGI – but the writers were also careful to include the scene of Jack and Sayid scouring the water from the helicopter looking for Jin (and other survivors) of the explosion only to conclude that there were none. If Jin isn’t really dead, the writers definitely wanted us to think he was.

 

The second logical explanation? When the Island “moved”, the nearest vessel to it was Faraday’s Zodiac Raft. (Keep in mind that there were at least a few minutes between the Freighter exploding and the Island disappearing. Since the explosion of the Freighter was visible on the Island, Faraday surely would have seen it on the Zodiac Raft, and likely would have turned around and headed back towards the Island. Given the quick trip back and forth, it’s logical to think he was pretty close to the Island when it “moved”.) The helicopter was somewhere between the Freighter wreckage and the Island, and assuming that Jin was somehow alive, he would have been floating closer to the Freighter wreckage than the Island.

 

So a best-case scenario for proximity to the Island would be Wreckage --> Jin --> Helicopter --> Zodiac Raft --> Island. Since the raft seemed to be “sucked in” with the move (since Frank’s Helicopter didn’t see it after the Island disappeared, and the Oceanic Six didn’t stumble upon it while floating in the ocean before being picked up by Penny), but the helicopter didn’t, logic would tell you that the chopper was outside the “suck radius”. Since Jin was even farther away from the Island than the helicopter, he would be way outside this radius, ensuring he wouldn’t be sucked in with it. Even if he survived the blast, but didn’t get sucked in, he would be left floating in the water for days without food / water / toilet. Given that Penny’s Searcher came upon the Oceanic Six, but not Jin – even if he had survived the blast, he sure didn’t get rescued.

  

On the other hand, there is only one argument you can make for Jin being alive. Since we don’t know much about the science behind the suck, you could argue that the suck encompassed a much larger area of the water around the Island, but none of the sky around it. This would allow it to suck in everything from nearby the Freighter wreckage (including Jin’s mangled body), but not the helicopter. Given the “healing power” of the Island, Jin could have somehow awoken in the water and swam to the shore perfectly fine, unsure how he survived the blast in the first place. It’s a stretch – but so is the fact that our Survivors all lived through a plane crash on the Island in the first place without so much as a scratch. If the Island doesn’t want you to die, you just don’t die – and maybe with all Jin’s heroics, it deemed he was worth saving.


In the end, Jin’s fate all comes down to what you think is the better storyline going forward – because based on his fate, Sun’s storyline (and the storyline of Widmore and Ben racing to find the Island) goes in two very different directions.

 

First, let’s assume Jin is dead (the logical choice!). This would give deeper meaning to Sun’s mourning at the tombstone and angry confrontation with her father – she blames him (along with Jack or Ben, most likely) for Jin’s death, and she is more than pissed about it. This would mean her encounter with Widmore where she talks about “mutual interests” indicates that she’s decided to side with him in the “race for the Island”, since she now hates Team BenJack.

 

Sun joining forces with Widmore and becoming a possible “bad guy” (depending on your point of view) would be a great twist for her – and would further the character development we’ve seen from Sun over the years. She’s gone from a meek submissive woman (a “glass ballerina”) to a bitch-slapping, hostile takeover-ing, strong-minded woman who gets what she wants no matter what the cost. If she wanted Team BenJack to pay for what happened to her Jin, the best way to punish them would be to deny them the one thing that they want the most… returning to the Island.

 

On the other side, if Jin is somehow magically alive and on the Island, the story takes a totally different twist. It would instead feature John Locke (aka Jeremy Bentham) visiting Sun post-Island, informing her that Jin actually survived the explosion and ended up “moving” with the Island, where he is alive and well… but dealing with the “very bad things” happening there. Once she finds out, she becomes determined to find the Island – and since she is unaware that Ben is alive and off the Island, goes after the only person that she thinks could help her – Charles Widmore. After all, he’s the one that found it once, why wouldn’t he be able to work the same magic and find it again? From here, the story could get very interesting as Team BenJack confront Sun to try and convince her to work with them to find the Island, even though she hates them with every fiber of her being. Sun could then totally go Alias on us and secretly double-cross Widmore to get information out of him while secretly relaying it to Team BenJack. In this scenario, Sun becomes the “hero” and could end up being the key to finding the Island… and gets a sappy reunion with Jin.

  

So with two pretty solid storylines available, which way will the writers go?

 

For me, the first scenario is far more intriguing, and actually sets up some “sides” and conflicting interests / moral ambiguities in the search for the Island, rather than it being “Team Widmore vs. Team BenJack” in a more traditional battle of “Good vs. Evil”. Although the second scenario would allow for the tearful reunion of Sun and Jin (who admittedly didn’t get a very fitting death given his character’s importance to the show), and provide the motivation for Sun to join Team BenJack’s mission to return to the Island, I still prefer Scenario One (sorry Jin lovers). Then again, I’m also the guy who thought Ben was going to be the one in the coffin since the end of last season, and we all saw how right I ended up being about that one…

  

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Re-reading it, I think most of it still holds up pretty well, except for now we have even more evidence. Yes, it's possible that the suck radius included more water than air, and Jin has been floating on debris and skipping around in time for the past few days. We've also got another reason why the Island kept Jin alive, since it's a way to get Sun to return to the Island and restore order to the world. Logic aside, Jin being alive does seem to move a lot of storylines moving forward, so I guess it makes sense - although I still would have preferred he stay dead. I'm curious to see if the writers ever even attempt to explain how he is alive, or if it's left for us to wonder and hypothesize about the "magic of the Island" making it happen.

 

Sun. What about Sun? It's funny, but it turns out that it seems that the most likely scenario is a combination of the two possible scenarios I described last summer. We have Sun hating not only Ben and Jack, but also Kate - blaming them for Jin's death, and seemingly working with Widmore to take them out. She's receiving secret documents about their whereabouts, weapons, and has already basically "stolen" Aaron away from Kate though some trickeration. However, instead of Locke telling Sun that Jin is alive, it seems that Ben is going to spill the secret in next week's episode. Will she believe Ben? Will this cause her to switch sides and work the Ben to return to the Island? Or will this just give her more reasons to work with Widmore to get to the Island first? Or would she go Alias on Widmore and try to double-cross him in the battle for the Island? We should get more of a feel next week, based on her reactions to Ben's shocking revelation.


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Spoilers. I suppose I should address some of the comments about this Sun and Ben interaction from my Instant Reactions. Some folks have requested that I not reference the episode previews in the Blog, since not everyone watches them and likes to be 100% surprised. Unfortunately, I think this is an example of "you can't please all the people all the time." I really wish I could do two separate Blogs, one that takes into account ONLY what we have seen on the current episode, and one that takes into account both what we have seen in the episode AND whatever previews they showed for the upcoming episode, but I don’t have the time for that (admittedly, I barely have time for this one Blog!). As I've mentioned in my past, this Blog has a slightly unfair USA-centricity about it, where the next episode's preview airs immediately after the current episode. Even if I turned my TV off right away, there's no chance I could avoid not seeing it on commercials on TV during other programs. While this isn't a problem for those watching the episodes online, or out of the country, it's a big problem for me.

 

The problem, if you haven't noticed over the years, is that I write in a very stream-of-consciousness style. I don't sit down and plan what I'm going to Blog about. My fingers start going and my mind thinks of stuff… and if the episode preview scenes are in my mind, I'm going to reference them because they affect my analysis of the current episode. I know that it's a fine line, since I try to run the site as 100% spoiler free, which is a reason that people like the Blog - but if some people consider the episode previews as "spoilers", then I guess I'm only running a 95% spoiler free site. But I think it's the best I can do, sorry.

 

Back to the analyzing...

 

Non-Crazy French People. It's nice to know that CFL wasn't always the whacked out anti-social girl that we met in Season One. In fact, in 1988 she was super friendly and comforting to one very confused Jin. So what happened between 1988 and 2004 to make her go from NFL (Normal French Lady) to CFL (Crazy French Lady)? With all the frequent skipping around, I'm afraid we won't get to see many details about what exactly happened to her crew - CFL seems pretty normal, and the radio tower is still broadcasting the Numbers. I just can't imagine our Survivors will stay in this time period for long enough to see her crew find the Black Rock, change the radio tower, and encounter the Others - which allegedly is what them get "sick". I hope I'm wrong - because unlike the avoidance of the Survivors running into themselves, there really is no good reason to not show the audience what happened from a storyline perspective… unless, as some have reasoned - CFL's stories don’t match up or seem to make any sense compared to everything else we know on the Island. Perhaps they were a product of abandoned storylines (like "The Sickness" or "Never seeing the Others, only hearing them even though they have camps all over the Island") - but I still think they could show us the truth and chalk it up to CFL being crazy. I want to know!

 

I also assume that Jin will reunite with the Skipping Survivors at some point - based on the Skipping Survivors finding the wreckage from CFL's Vessel on the beach, they can't be that far away from where the French Raft washed up on shore. A Skipping Survivors and Non-Crazy French People encounter on the beach would be pretty amazing, I would think. Heck, maybe seeing our Skipping Survivors suddenly vanish before their eyes with the next skip would make the Non-Crazy French People think that they are "going crazy". Or maybe we'll get lucky and the next skip in time will be to like 1990 and we can revisit CFL and Friends. My fingers are crossed.


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PS - are we ever going to see Rose, Bernard, and Vincent again? I understand that they would be dragging down some of the "action" right now since they're older and slower, but I'm still curious as to what they are up to and how they are dealing with all these time skips!

 

Also, I know I haven’t really discussed this at all yet this season, but we are also owed an explanation as to what is happening to the members of Oceanic Flight 815 who were on Jacob’s list – Cindy, Zack, and Emma. Are they skipping through time as well? Did they go to the Temple, where they received some “shielding” from the effects of the skipping? Or did they go through some sort of “Other Naturalization Process” which puts them in the same boat as the other Others – immune to the effects?

 

There was a great thought from Don in the Comments Section about this topic:

 

Remember back in "...And Found" when Jin and Eko hid in the jungle while a group of very savage-looking others walked by. Several of them were children and one -- presumably Zach -- was carrying a mutilated teddy bear.

 

But then remember in "Stranger in a Strange Land" when Cindy came by to see Jack and Zach and Emma -- and Zach's teddy bear -- were all fine.

 

This never made any sense to me. Why did was Zach's teddy bear so damaged already? Did they give him a new one later? Did they give him a fake one then to make him seem more savage? etc.

 

But now with our survivors skipping through time (presumably along with the tail-section survivors like Cindy, Zach, and Emma) is it possible that we were seeing a Zach and Emma from the future flashing back? If so, it seems like they're in for a hard time between then and now.

 

Is this possible? If so, it might be the one solid "See, they've had it planned all along." moment we've all been waiting for.

 

I like that A LOT. Nice work FOB Don!

 

Nosebleeds. Okay, this Blog is getting surprisingly long for not having that much to analyze, so let’s hit the last big discussion point… this episode confirmed that it's not just Charlotte who is in danger - it's everyone. According to Faraday’s musings, it's somehow based on how much time you have spent on the Island (and where is he coming up with all this stuff anyways? Even with all his wacky experiments at Oxford, his knowledge about the inner-workings of the Island seem to indicate he’s spent some time there in the past – or was taught a lot about it from his mother). This revelation opens up a few questions and thoughts:

  • These Nosebleeds seem to be different than those that affected Desmond, Minkowski, and Theresa since we have shown no signs of Charlotte thinking she was in a different period of her life (i.e. – becoming “unstuck in time”)
  • Is there a direct correlation to how long someone has spent on the Island and when they begin to be affected by the Nosebleeds? Juliet first arrived on the Island in September 2001, meaning she’s been there for roughly three and a half years. Everyone (myself included) is betting that the baby crying at the start of the season must be Miles, which would confirm that he has been on the Island before as well. Does this mean he spent about three and a half years on the Island as well? Does this mean Charlottes spent a lot more time than that on the Island in her youth? Or just a little more? It all depends on the formula, I suppose.
  • Who is affected by the Nosebleeds and who isn’t? Obviously Ben spent thirty years on the Island without seeming to have any nasal problems, so what is the overall cause?

 

Initially, my big explanation for the Nosebleeds was that if you come and go to the Island on different bearings, you would be affected by it. This seemed to work for Desmond, Minkowski, and Charlotte, as one assumes that they were unaware of how they initially entered or left the Island and accidentally existed or came back on a different bearing. But that seems to be thrown out the window with the inclusion of Juliet in the mix. Remember, she came to the Island only once – on a very specific bearing with Ethan and the Others – and has never left.

 

Keeping this in mind, the Nosebleeds seem to be a direct result of the skipping through time. Which means that there really is a sense of urgency to stop the skipping – or else our Survivors are going to start dropping like flies. I anxiously await Faraday’s explanation as to what is actually causing this to happen. It seems like there is an easily acceptable explanation waiting for us along the lines of “your mind can’t handle existing in different times and the longer someone has spent on the Island with its funky time, the less grounded in time it is.” I don’t know how much sense it really makes, but I’m thinking it’s about all we’re going to get.

 

In the end, there seem to be two forces at play – deadly Nosebleeds that are caused by skipping around through time on the Island, and deadly Unstuck-in-Time-ness that are caused by having your consciousness (not your physical body) skipping around through time. The cure for Unstuck-in-Time-ness is a Constant. The cure for Nosebleeds is to stop the skipping – which seems to be exactly what our Survivors aim to do in heading to the Orchid.

 

Wrap Up Thoughts. We’ve now had two Oceanic Six “obstacles” that seemed to exist merely for the sake of eating up time. First, Hurley was arrested – which seemed to throw a HUGE wrench in the 70 hour timeline to return to the Island – but now we find out, he’ll just be released tomorrow morning. Then, we have Kate and Jack thinking that Claire’s Mom knew the truth about Aaron – but it turned out that was either an elaborate red herring setup by Ben, or a crazy coincidence, and Ben was behind the request for the blood tests all along, in a ploy to get Kate “running”. Just further proof that we need the Oceanic Six either involved in good off-Island storylines (involving Ms. Hawking, Abaddon, or the science / rules of how they are going to return to the Island), or back ON the Island as soon as possible. Thus far, we’ve had two other storylines for them – and both were somewhat filler.

  

One last note - the name on the side of Ben's van, "Canton Rainier" is an anagram for "reincarnation". If there is any doubt about Locke coming back to live in some fashion once they return to the Island, this should throw that out the window.

 

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31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Canton Rainier...nice pickup.

Anonymous said...

I can see it now. The Finale will be like last seasons where we see Locke in the casket except this time we will have the same camera angle and Locke will open his eyes. That would be awesome.

Becca said...

Am I the only one who thinks Sun is the creepiest character? Every time she has screen time this season I think she is going to kill someone.

J. said...

Well here is a wild theory of mine....could Sun and Locke have actually been working together. With all of Sun's recent actions part of a back-up plan that Locke has come up with if/when he dies to make sure that Ben doesn't cause anymore harm than Widmore. just an idea.

Lisa said...

I've been poking around on the Ajira website and Lostpedia, and there are some hidden Easter egg pictures on the Ajira site (Lostpedia has them here: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/7/7d/Ajira_argclues.jpg ). I'm wondering if the two people in those pictures are part of the Backriggers.

Anonymous said...

Lisa, I can't get your link to work.

Hope said...

What do you all think the significance is of Ben's lawyer also working for Oceanic since he was delivering the settlement to Claire?

Hope said...

Ok, I meant to Claire's mother.

phishpac said...

good stuff broseph

Anonymous said...

im sure the last scene of lost will be the first scene of lost

Smaelb said...

Lisa, the man we see on the pictures is Said Tagmahoui, a french actor(but not likely to play one of Rousseau's teammate. I'm from paris and I can tell you that the actors in the little prince were not french at all) He was cast to be a bad guy in Lost. I think he was one of the boat shooting people, but that's just conjecture.

Whiza said...

- Important subject of BEER - I'm sure there were some full cans there at the camp :-)

- How come Daniel is connecting the nose bleeds to time skipping jet lag and how long you’ve been on the island now instead of the going off the bearing to and from the island and having a Constant as he did in the last series??

- If Ben is going to tell Sun that Jin is alive then Locke mustn't have which means Skipping Survivors and Jin don’t meet up. Let’s hope that Jin joins up with Rose&Bernard and the depleted Redshirts and with his military skills can help them survive. I do hope that some Redshirts survive to the end (some of them deserve redemption surely).

- Jin surviving the explosion IS a big ask (if you have any knowledge of naval battles you’ll appreciate what I’m saying).

- Perhaps they’ll explain Jin’s survival and the O6 needing to go back is that those that were living the island at the point in time when the FDW was turned need to be back in place for that time moment in order for it to stop skipping. Therefore the island pulled Jin back to it.

- Glad you touched on that Sun is terrible child minder. First she leaves Aaron alone in the room then she goes out with him oh yes and on the way to dropping you off I might go and shoot Ben.

- Minor point if CFL ship is called B612 does that indicate that it’s military?

- I like the other commenter’s idea that the survivors skipping causes a disturbance which leads to new people on the Island – will we see the arrival of Henry Gale be next? Otherwise don’t you think it’s been a cool way for the writers to show us the history of the island.

- Final Q - End of S4 Ben says that O6 can leave the island – now he’s organising them to go back. How come no-one is chiding HIM for letting them go in the first place and causing the bad things???

Kelly said...

Hope - I think that the lawyer who was seeking the blood sample and who met with Claire's mom is another Other supporter like Jill in the butcher shop.

VictorC said...

I don't think discussing next week episodes are spoilers at all, anything ABC shows us on TV is fair game. I consider this blog 100% spoiler free.
And speaking of next episodes, the next one is called "This Place is Death."
I can't wait already.

Anonymous said...

What was the name of Ben's little friend when he was a kid? Do u think it could be Charlote or is she too young?

Steve said...

Great analysis as usual!

My take on the outrigger is this:
It's in the future, so you don't have to skip to that time again. Once things are set 'straight' by getting the O6 back to the island, time will
progress normally, and we'll see this perspective from the outrigger from the natural flow of time, not time skipping.

As for the others not skipping, I would consider Juliet more of an other than Cindy, who has only been on the island for months.
I want to say that she's skipping too... but time may.. or may not.. tell.

Podcasts suggest that we should definately see Vincent again.

I love Don's theory too, but it doesn't make sense with what they were wearing. Remember Friendly's fake beard? They seemed to
quit dressing this way after season 2. We never saw the savage clothing, so logic would suggest that jumping Cindy and kids from January 2005
would not be dressed this way. I like the theory a lot though.

I was also thinking: if the O6 are in 2008, how the heck are they going to get to whatever point in time they need to get to on the island.
I think Eloise Hawking will help us understand this.

I think the nosebleeds obviously an effect of the time skipping. It's sort of like the people becoming unstuck in time, however instead of being mental time change
for them, it's physical, but the effects on the mind are the same. I agree fully that the constant is the cure in either mental or physical skipping scenario.

Steve said...

Whiza,

I don't know what you're talking about with the naval battles, but I also doubt that the writers knew this either.

There was a lot of BAD use of science in late season 3. The idea that the 'numbers' broadcast could interfere with a satellite phone is ludicrus. To suggest that the looking glass could be used for communications or blocking them while being underwater(wouldn't work) are examples.

They can't get everything right, so I'll give them slack on Jin.

Anonymous said...

poor jin.. jam again with people who dont understand him..

Dean said...

Reincarnation...here's an out there idea. What if Ben is....Locke?

DeuceGort said...

I'd love to see preview spoilers let out but I completely understand that they're fair game.

My question - I watch episodes on abc.com which shows no preview. So where do I find it? (besides youtube)

CJ said...

Do Jack's first season sightings of Christian involve some kind of time skipping, then? What about the people Hurley has seen? How much could the time travel explain (without overkill)?

Anonymous said...

any theories about why Sayid and Ben had a falling out?

also, why are people trying to kill Sayid? who are these people and who hired them?

Hobbes said...

I don't don't think it was necessarily that Locke realized talking to himself at the hatch would be a "no-no". But more to emphasize his character growth. As Locke said to James, "I needed that pain to get to where I am now". For him there was no need to inform his past self or change the past, John accepts his fate, his destiny.

Btw I was ROFL at NCFP, you're hilarious Brian. Keep up the good work.

Dharma Mayonnaise said...

I mean this in a funny (or at least not rude) way and isn't directed at anyone in particular (on this board or others) but... Why do people get hung up on whether or not Jin could survive/escape a boat explosion but the notion of a magical island or a frozen donkey wheel stuck underground that, when turned, allows a certain number of individuals to travel in space and time doesn't phase us?

I know this analysis is part of the great thing about watching Lost but it's OK for us to allow some slack and accept some of the premises if it allows for the story to unfold.

Another entertaining analysis, Brian.

Anonymous said...

Previews can be found on the ABC site, or on aol.com under the television/abc section.

WARNING. Every week, they also show between 2-4 FULL scenes from next weeks show. They are official releases from ABC and don't usually contain anything major, but since they're full scenes... even though official, I consider them to ruin the surpise, even if I don't call them spoilers(never conatin juicy info)

Also, Darkufo has a spoiler site. Links to previews from ABC and Canada.

Warning about darkufo: While it is a spoiler site, Major spoilers contain real warnings in advance, and for added security ask 'are you sure'. NO, I don't want spoilers! But I like the links.

What you'll find... that some will consider spoilers:

- Links to magazine articles about lost in magazines like TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly.

- Links to interviews with the cast, writers and producers and the offical lost podcast(with darlton)

- Casting Calls (when the show puts out a call to fill a certain role) Clues about new character personalities.. I don't consider this a spoiler.

- Episode desctriptions released by ABC (some would call this spoilerish), however this info is available in the lost descriton from most cable and satellite providers.

- People in Hawaii who have watched the film shoots. (spoiler)

Cool site, but be careful, it's pretty easy not to see real spoilers, but can be tempting to cheat. Self control!

I do not consider anything released by ABC or the Lost producers spoilers. A lot of what they release is intentionally misleading. Anything else, I consider a spoiler. That's includes clues from EW or TV guide(though they get this with approval from ABC), or anyone who has watched a shoot.

Dave said...

OK, if the NCFP are not island originals, and let's assume for a minute that the backriggers are not island originals, why are they not skipping too?

The NCFP arrived at the island in a similar way as some of our Losties, boat crash instead of plane crash. Shouldn't they be subject to the same skipping events. But if so, the backriggers would not have disappeared at the flash.

Anonymous said...

But why would Locke so clearly avoid going near the Hatch? Personal growth, as he told Sawyer, yes.....but he seemed to know something about the laws of time travel, etc.

Nick said...

Whiza... He isn't telling people they need a constant because that's because they aren't in just two time periods, and its not just their consciousness. However, Charlotte seems to have recovered, hasn't she? Maybe she did get her constant, in Daniel...

Also, as for the skipping survivors not meeting Jin, all we know is that Jin doesn't meet them before Locke leaves the island. And we don't know if he actually will. For all we know, he might leave a different way.

As for why Ben let them leave, Ben knew at that point that he'd be turning the wheel, and he knew he'd have to get back--how better than to hitch a ride? He always has a plan...

Dean: No, Ben is not Locke. That wouldn't make any sense, nor would it be especially satisfying.

CJ: How would they involve time-skipping? The island can manifest visions and assume people's bodies and/or spirits for its own use, however that works. I don't think we need time travel to explain that, nor would it work especially well if you tried.

Anon at 9:34: Her name was Annie. Charlotte isn't really old enough, but its not impossible if some funky time goes on.

Anon at 2:45: No one is trying to kill Sayid. They were trying to capture him... darts remember, not bullets.

Dave: Because they were all dead when the FDW was turned. Remember, the people on the island with some commonality that we aren't quite sure of started skipping when the FDW was turned. No one else would
be skipping.

Anon right before: Someone else suggested that maybe there is some subtle force that convinces them not to interact with themselves. Sawyer didn't try to yell out to Kate, even though it seems he easily could have. If that's the case, though, why would that be happening?

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure this would work or make sense but what if the person who was shot in the outrigger chase scene was Mr Locke? And that's how he dies... OK, doubtful

Steve said...

Dave:

The other outriggers aren't skipping because they aren't from the time that the o6 left the island. I still think the skipping is more to do with the o6 leaving and not the FDW.

Steve said...

Nick: Subtle force that keeps them from interacting with themselves is simply that it didn't happen. It's TIME that's making it happen... one could argue the island, but basically, what's done is done, and what doesn't happen, doesn't.

I'm thinking about Locke. People have questioned why Locke didn't tell Sun off island that Jin was alive(Obviously he didn't, or sun wouldn't be coming after Ben). It's because Locke does not meet up with Jin before he leaves the island.