Friday, February 27, 2009

"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" Analysis!

Before we get down to analyzin' this week, I wanted to make a quick note about the "Instant Reaction" posts I do each week. Basically, once the episode ends, I sit down and type nonstop for about fifteen minutes about whatever immediately comes to mind about the episode. There is usually no research, no double-checking of facts, or logically thinking through what I’m writing. It's just my fingers going as fast as they can about whatever thoughts are running through my mind. I know that there are often spelling, grammar, and logic errors - and appreciate that people point them out in the Comments Section. Understand that these aren't my final thoughts about the episode, just what's going through my mind the instant that the episode ends - which is why when I sit down to actually think about it and write my analysis, often I've shifted views on some things. There's no need to get worked up or complain about whatever I say in my "Instant Reactions", because chances are - if it's crazy talk, I'll get it corrected when I do the analysis. My goal with the "Instant Reactions" is just to get my thoughts out as quickly as possible, so that you don’t have to wait for the weekend to hear them… even if those thoughts might be a little wacky.

 

On to "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham". I stand by my initial review of the episode. It was a functional episode, but I feel like it left a lot to be desired. Locke's meetings with the Oceanic Six were all pretty disappointing, in some cases bringing up seeming inconsistencies with what we have seen and heard in prior episodes. Cases in point:

 

BEN: And what did he say to you?

JACK: He told me... that after I left the island, some very bad things happened. And he told me that it was my fault for leaving. And he said that I had to come back.

 

KATE: Who do you think you are?! You call me over and over again for two days straight, stoned on your pills! And then you show up here with an obituary for Jeremy Bentham. (Sighs) When he came to me and I heard what he had to say, I knew he was crazy. But you... you believed him.

JACK: Yes.

KATE: Him, of all people.

JACK: Yes, Kate, I did, because he said that that was the only way that I could keep you safe--you and Aaron.

 

Really? Did I miss the part of Jack's two-minute conversation with Locke where he told him that the very bad things happening on the Island were Jack's fault for leaving? Or where he said going back was the only way to keep Kate and Aaron safe?


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At first I thought "maybe Jack will run into Locke again in some flashback and we'll see these conversations happen", but the more I think about the timeline, the more unlikely that seems. It appears as though Locke's encounter with Jack this week is the first time the two have met since he has been off the Island. When Locke is attempting to kill himself, he still has the injuries from the car accident, which makes me assume it's only a few days later. That's a pretty small window of time for Locke and Jack to reunite… and I also don't see how that scene would fit into any future flashbacks for either character. This episode seemed to be "the one that shows what Locke did off the Island". While we may get some future flashbacks showing the falling out between Sayid, Sun's interactions with Widmore, or what Kate did with Aaron, I don't think we'll get any more involving Locke or Jack - because outside of these continuity errors (that only the obsessive among us would notice), they pretty much wrapped up all the other necessary off-Island storylines for both characters.

 

Unfortunately, this contributes to the difficulty I have in understanding exactly why Locke's death would drive Jack to kill himself, why Kate would flip out when Jack showed her the obituary for Jeremy Bentham, or why Sayid would suddenly gain such a hatred towards Locke where he wouldn't want his name mentioned. Those little details all kept the suspense and excitement going last season about exactly what happened in the three years since the Oceanic Six returned to the "real world", but the payoff and explanation of them was lacking for me (at least for now).

 

Maybe this is why over-analyzing and obsessing about the show is a bad thing - because I'm guessing that the more casual viewer was totally satisfied with "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham", and didn't even notice. But here's hoping the payoff for the other series-long mysteries on Lost are much better!

 

Widmore. We learned a lot about Charles Widmore this week, but the information he provided raises more questions than answers (otherwise known as "The Lost Way"). The facts are these:

 

1937 - Charles Widmore is born

1954 - Charles Widmore is on the Island

1992 - The Purge happens on the Island

1994 - Widmore begins funding Faraday's research

1995 - Desmond meets Penny

1996 - Desmond asks Widmore for Penny's hand in marriage

Widmore claims that he "led his people for three decades" before he was exiled by Ben


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Doing some quick math, even if Widmore was the leader of the Others in 1954 (which it didn't appear), that puts us around 1984 that he was still on the Island (at least). If Ben "tricked him" into exile off the Island, you actually have to put this date closer to the Purge in 1992 - since until then, it's assumed that Ben wouldn't have had enough power / knowledge / contact to pull such a trick on Widmore. How could Widmore go from being Island Leader in the early 1990s to being corporate boss / jerk to Desmond in the mid-1990s? It really doesn’t seem like there's enough time to explain his rise to power - unless the Others already had an established "shell company" that Widmore simply stepped into the leadership role for and slapped his name on it. And how does Penny fit into all this? Was born on the Island? Is Charles Widmore not her biological father? The earliest information we have on her is that she was dating Desmond in 1996 - at which time she was at least in her late 20's, meaning she was born in the 1970's.

 

It's confusing, and there are a few ways to tackle this, but in true Lost…and Gone Forever fashion, I think the easiest is probably with a wacky, all-encompassing theory that will probably last exactly one week before being proven wrong by next week's episode...

 

Let's assume that Widmore becomes leader of the Others around the time we saw him in 1954. He's an "up and comer" among the Others - his strong will, fiercely loyal to the cause, and strong jaw-line make him a logical choice to lead "his people". Roughly twenty years pass without any incident, taking us to the 1970's. Then along comes the Dharma Initiative. The Others aren't big fans of Dharma digging up their Island, building concrete stations, and polluting their Island with Dharma Beer Cans. This creates an internal debate among the Others about how to deal with them.

 

On one side is Charles Widmore, who realizes by observing Dharma that there is a lot of potential for the Island to make the world a better place by using its "unique properties" to cure cancers, make people live forever, take rides on Smokey, etc. Heck, maybe you could make a little money in the process to be able to build fancy houses for the Others filled with new TVs and fancy cheeses. He might have even proposed to partner up with Dharma to work towards this "the greater good".

 

On the other side is Richard Alpert, who likes things they way they've always been, just wants to get rid of Dharma, keep the Island secret, and go back to being a long-haired hippie. Capitalism be damned! He finds a like-minded individual in young Benjamin Linus, and begins to "recruit him".

 

Years later, it's pretty clear which faction wins the argument, as the Others use Ben to help carry out the Purge, wiping Dharma from the Island. Suddenly Ben is the new "up and comer" among the Others, creating instant friction between Ben and Widmore. As Ben is a pretty tricky guy, he's able to trick Widmore into leaving the Island, effectively putting Ben in a newly vacated position of leadership among the Others.

 

Lucky for Widmore, he knows enough of the secrets of the Others to collect some of their stashes of money hidden in various locales around the world, uses his clout as former leader of the Others to step in as the leader of the Others off-Island corporation, which he renames as Widmore Industries and goes on with life… but deep down inside yearns to return to the Island. Over the years he gathers information on how to get back by buying the Black Rock Journal, discovering the Lamp Post, and eventually puts together the Freighter team with the goal of removing Ben from the Island, paving the way for his triumphant return… where he can pick up his mission of using the Island for his original altruistic / monetary goals.

 

What about Penny? I think the easiest answer is that Widmore and TBD Female Lover had her on the Island in the 1970's. Widmore knew that there was a potential for some bad things to go down with the Great Dharma Debate, and sends Penny and TBD Female Lover off the Island to keep them safe. Penny grows up in the real world with no knowledge of the Island. Widmore may even visit her from time to time, but spends a good deal of time "away on business trips", which is actually when he is on the Island.

 

If you want to get really crazy, let's make TBD Female Lover into Ellie Hawking. Then you could go all Star Wars and have Penny and Faraday be brother and sister, which could explain why Widmore was funding Faraday's experiments (or maybe it was just because he thought Faraday could help Widmore find the Island again), and could explain why Ms. Hawking was in the Lamp Post (because Widmore sent her there to get the place up and running again to help find the Island).

 

It's not a perfect theory, but it's a good enough place holder for this week. Who is good and who is evil? It depends on which side you come down on - Ben represents protecting the secrecy of the Island, Widmore represents opening up the Island for the greater good. Ben uses trickery, deception, and mass murder to work towards his goals. Widmore uses money, power, and influence.

 

 

Ben. As for Benjamin Linus, this week confirmed that he lies approximately 90% of the time and kills people the other 10%. He admitted to killing Abaddon, claiming that it was only a matter of time before Abaddon would have killed Locke - probably a lie - and then proceeded to kill Locke himself (irony!).


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But why did Ben kill Locke? If he was going to kill him anyways, why not just let him actually commit suicide? Two possible answers here:


1. In some religions (Catholicism), killing yourself is a big-time sin. Perhaps the Others believe the same, and Locke couldn't be "the chosen one" if he had killed himself. Ben, knowing that Locke needed to die to convince the Oceanic Five to return to the Island, took one for the team and killed him - since it would achieve the same results without Locke falling from grace. Given that the Others have committed mass murder via the Purge, and used Locke killing his father as a sign that he was ready to be their new leader, it seems unlikely that they would have some rule against killing yourself… especially since Alpert told Locke "you're going to have to die" instead of "you're going to be murdered", as if leaving the door open for Locke to carry out the action himself. This was confirmed by Abaddon this episode when he asks whether Richard Alpert's prediction that Locke must die is predetermined or whether it's a choice. Locke asks how it could possibly be his choice to die but Abaddon doesn't answer - again insinuating that Locke might get to the point where his only option to convince the Oceanic Five to return to the Island is to kill himself.

 

You could argue that Abaddon (and, by association Widmore) are trying to get Locke to kill himself because that will suddenly make him "unworthy" and open the door for Widmore to step in and reclaim his role as "leader of the Others" - making Ben the good guy by allowing Locke to retain his position… but it seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

2. The other, much more logical explanation is that Ben needed information from Locke. He kept Locke from killing himself until he got the information he needed, and then proceeded with killing him - because it needed to be done. In this scenario, it's true that Locke needed to die in order for the Oceanic Five to return to the Island, but Ben has cleverly inserted himself into the scenario - kinda like he cleverly inserted himself into being a part of moving the Island by turning the FDW last season. Now, instead of Widmore stepping in after Locke's death to bring him back to the Island, Ben does.

 

The two pieces of information that Ben learns from Locke during the scene are why he hasn't contacted Sun, and where he is headed next (visiting Ms. Hawking). Earlier in the scene, Ben confirms that he knows Ms. Hawking… which pretty much confirms that she is an Outcast Other (since Ben spent the majority of his life on the Island). Based on the earlier Widmore theory, this probably means that Widmore, Ben, and Ms. Hawking were all on the Island at the same time for some period in the past. What if Ms. Hawking, this all-knowing mysterious Other knew that someone was destined to visit her and bring a dead John Locke and the Oceanic Five back to the Island, but didn't know who that was supposed to be? Ben could easily approach her and present himself as the "man behind the mission" - convincing Ms. Hawking to explain to him what needs to be done to return to the Island.

 

Just like Widmore said to Ben last season "everything you have you took from me". First the Island, now his plan to get back to the Island. What a jerk.

 

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Island. The last major item to discuss this week is the on-Island action. I must admit, I was pretty surprised to get any on-Island action - and although we only got a few brief scenes, they revealed quite a bit. As I mentioned in my Instant Reactions, I think that (for some reason) we have the Survivors of Ajira Airways 316 spread out over two different time periods. Last week, we learned that Jack, Kate, and Hurley are currently in the same time period as Jin - who is driving what appears to be a "new" 1970's Dharma Van. They are on the main Island, near the waterfall we saw in Season One.

 

This week, we found out that Ben, Locke, Caesar, Ilana, and every other member of Ajira Airways 316 are in the same time period. According to Caesar, everyone apart from those that disappeared have been accounted for. What about Sun and Sayid? Are they "accounted for", or did they "disappear"? Based on the facts of the past two episodes, their fate is still up in the air… but based on the episode preview for next week, it's a little more clear.

 

***For those who don't like to speculate about things we see in episode previews, you'll probably want to stop reading now.***

 

In the episode preview, we see a scene with Sun standing in the foreground and Ben standing in the background. Ben still has his arm in a sling, and displays the signs of the mysterious beating he took before boarding Ajira 316… meaning she's in the same time period as the Ajira 316ers. But what time period are they in? Well, using a little deduction skills, it's safe to say they are in "the present" or 2008. We actually do see that the Ajira plane crashed nearby the "runway" that Kate and Sawyer were building in Season Three (meaning it's after 2004). We also find out that "the pilot and some a woman" left in one of the canoes during the night, leaving two behind. If you remember back to "The Little Prince", our Skipping Survivors came upon their old beach camp (which had long since been abandoned) along with two canoes. Again, this puts the time for this particular "skip" as at least 2005 or later.

 

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I'm guessing that at some point, some Ajira 316ers take a canoe over to the main Island (probably accompanied by Ben or Locke). This would put two canoes on the Island, and explain the Ajira Airways water bottle that our Skipping Survivors found in one of the canoes. It also sets up the scene from "The Little Prince" where someone starts to chase and shoot after our Skipping Survivors, resulting in Juliet shooting one of them. Currently, I don’t see why any of the Ajira 316ers (or "the pilot and some woman") would chase after our Skipping Survivors and shoot at them, so the Backriggers could still be anyone.

 

The moral of the story is that Ajira 316 is in at least 2005… and I'm guessing it's actually in 2008 for simplicity sake. This means that although Sun has successfully returned to the Island, she is about 30 years too late to run into Jin. Hello instant drama.

 

What about Sayid? Although I have little to base this on, I think he's in 2008 as well. Given that Hurley, Kate, and Jack all landed pretty close to each other, I would assume that if Sayid "skipped" off the plane, he would have ended up near them as well. I also think that Ilana would have mentioned if he was one of the ones that disappeared during the crash - instead of Caesar commenting about Hurley. But he could still go either way.

 

So, with a little analyzing of the preview scenes, that gives us the following:

 

1970's - Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Miles, Faraday

2008 - Locke, Ben, Frank, Sun, Sayid, Caesar, Ilana, and a slew of redshirts to get killed

 

As for "the Pilot and a woman", I assume they're talking about Frank and Sun. It would make sense that Sun, uber-excited about reuniting with Jin, would realize that she is on Alcatraz, and needs to go to the main Island to find him. She probably was about to run off on her own, but Frank stopped her and offered to come along for protection / help, since he's also been to the Island before. I'm guessing that the second canoe that goes to the main Island next episode will contain Locke, Ben, Sayid, Caesar, and Ilana… making one of them a great candidate to get shot and killed by Juliet in the very near future. Yikes.

 

Also, things are not looking so great for John Locke himself. Although he completed his mission successfully, is back on the Island he loves and came back to life (which constitute a pretty good day, if you ask me), Walt's visions of a suited Locke (check) being surrounded by people who want to hurt him sounds like the party is going to be over pretty quickly.

 

As for Caesar and Ilana, I'm not sure what to make of them yet. It's possible neither knew each other before Ajira 316, and have quickly bonded in the face of disaster similar to how Kate and Jack did after Oceanic 815. Or, maybe one or both have sinister intentions, are Outcast Others, or Widmore's people. The options are endless at this point.

 


Time. Lastly, I think it's a good idea to step back and look at the big picture, from a timeline perspective. In 2008, Caesar finds what appears to be Faraday's journal and CFL's maps inside the Hydra Station. Was this where he worked on figuring out how to get the Skipping Survivors back to their proper timeline? And what happened to him? For that matter, what happened to any of them? If they are alive and on the Island in the 1970's, they would eventually reach 2004 and 2008 (assuming they survived the Purge). If they successfully found a way to go "Back to the Future" (I should trademark that, it sounds catchy), then they would simply skip the next 20-30 years and are  sitting on the main Island alive and well. If not, they have lived a whole lot of life on the Island, and it makes you wonder where they were spending their time in 2004 to avoid running into themselves (maybe at the Others' Temple?)


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Furthermore, what has happened to the Others since 2005? Locke disappeared, but they didn't. Who stepped up to become their new leader? What have they been doing for the past three years? Without a leader, did they fall apart and become savages? Are they back to "protectionary" mode, attacking any new people who appear on the Island (could they be the Backriggers)? And what about Vincent, Rose, and Bernard? How do they factor into all these events? Did they die of nosebleeds? Are they in the 1970's working for Dharma as well? Remember how surprised we were to have our Survivors all back together on the Island so quickly this season? Well, they aren't there yet - I have to assume the end-game for this season will be the reunion of all our Survivors in the same timeline, allowing the last season to bring the storyline forward, and to conclusion.

 

…and I think that's all I've got for this week. What did I miss? What was I terribly, terribly wrong about? Let me know!

 

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42 comments:

hobbes said...

Simply Awesome Analysis Brian!

Renee said...

"As for Benjamin Linus, this week confirmed that he lies approximately 90% of the time and kills people the other 10%."

Best laugh I had all week!
Thanks :)

smacky said...

Caesar and Ilana are the Nicki and Paulo of this season...

...based on my hopes that Julliet didn't shoot Sayid or John in the canoe!

wgh said...

Don't have much to add yet, except to say that was Freaking Good Analysis.

wgh said...

But I did want to say... it is possible, you know, that Jack simply made that stuff up about what Locke said, just to try to convince Kate. Maybe even (I daresay) plausible.

Becca said...

What evidence do we have that Juliet killed someone? I know she shot at the people in the other boat, but they were in a pretty big rainstorm. Wouldn't it be difficult to get your mark or confirm you killed someone?

hobbes said...

It was sunny while they were being canoe chased. She fired back and it looked liked she hit someone. But we don't know if she actually killed anyone. For drama's sake I suspect she did but it was probably a red shirt. Then there was a flash and they jumped into a rain storm then.

Anonymous said...

I think rose and bernard are adam and eve :) that would be a beautiful end to their story. Maybe they went to the cave to hide or maybe they get placed there out of respect.
-kas

lost and back again said...

Love the analysis, Brian.

I was thinking the same thing about the inconsistencies between what Jack and Kate said Locke told them and what we saw in this episode. What if Locke, upon dying, became Ghost Locke who then appeared to Jack and Kate and told them all that crazy, scary stuff?

If Ghost Dad also visited Jack and confirmed that he had told Locke to say hi to him, that might have convinced Jack that they needed to go back.

And then, when Kate realized that Locke was dead at the time she was visited by Ghost Locke, she also realized that her visits from Ghost Claire meant that Claire was dead. That’s how she came to believe that they needed to go back.

Beerman said...

Brian,
Enjoyed your analysis as always.

On a separate note, I'm deploying to Afghanistan next week. Anyone have any good ideas on how to watch Lost episodes, since ABC's site won't let you watch overseas? I'll have internet access, albeit a little slow. Any help would be appreciated.

Smaelb said...

beerman,maybe this would help you.They put the episode online a few hours after.

http://www.cucirca.com/2007/05/12/watch-lost-online/

Anonymous said...

We really don't know how much of what Widmore told Locke is true or not. Was he really the leader of the Others for 30 years? Did Ben trick him off the island? Let's not accept what he says as gospel.

As for Locke's story line, especially after reading Brian's analysis, the writting was not terribly satisfying given all the sloppy continuity errors and certainly was rushed leaving out details we've come to know and love with LOST. Hopefully, they'll clean some of this up with perahps as has been suggested on this post, Locke's spirit telling Jack what happened since he left.

Also, encounter with Walt was forced. Plus, how'd Walt come to know Ben's alias name that he mentioned to Hurley last season? Ben was never shown to reveal to Walt his assumed name of Jeremy Bentham.

Also, with Matthew Abadon, what about "next time you see me, you'll owe me one"? How did he call in his marker on Locke before he was killed?

Just an observation......As Locke approached each O6 survivor, they each gave him a reason to be depressed (ie; Sayid saying you've always been alone, Kate saying you've never loved anyone and Jack telling him he's never been special and just an ordinary old man). Each put a nail in his coffin so to speak.

One other question....if Whidmore knew of the lampost, why didn't he harness it to return to the Island?

Anonymous said...

''I think rose and bernard are adam and eve :) that would be a beautiful end to their story. Maybe they went to the cave to hide or maybe they get placed there out of respect.
-kas''

:O why not!!!!
The stones found on the bodies could be the proof!!!
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/b/bb/Aande_stones.jpg

Anonymous said...

We learned about Adam & Eve in "House of the Rising Sun" so maybe it's actually Sun & Jin. They finally reunite, but it's far in the past...

wgh said...

Anon @8:16

Adam+Eve=Sun+Jin... I think I like that! I saw on another blog that maybe Kate's line to Jack "I've always been with you" is a clue that she and Jack are actually Adam & Eve... and thus they discover their own bones... which kinda made my skin crawl.

Anonymous said...

Beerman...

u can download each episode the Wednesday night u just need something to download Torrent

http://www.torrentz.com/movies?q=

go there and search for LOST!

enjoy and take care of u in Afghanistan!

StephykneeJo said...

Great analysis Brian! I've been reading for some time now, and they are great every time. I enjoy the preview, instant reactions, and the analysis. They're your opinions, and if people don't like them and want to give you crap about your thoughts, then they don't have to read it! You don't need to explain yourself or try to justify it at all. Keep up the good work!

CJ said...

Regarding the test of killing his father that the Others gave Locke, didn't he pass because he couldn't do it? I thought Sawyer was the one who finished him off, after Locke brought Sawyer to him. But my memory may not be serving me correctly.

Anonymous said...

i agree, do not justify yourself. let your thoughts flow! worrying about what people's comments will be will only constrict that flow. i love the blog, whether i agree with you or not :)

Anonymous said...

I, too, have been having a hard time with the why Widmore would just not use Mrs. Hawking to get back to the island if he knew about her. What am I missing.

Rob Rose said...

I just thought of absolutely the perfect reason why Walt would have to come back to the island because something we already know...

Anonymous said...

Gotta say that Terry Quinn's (sp?) performance was exceptional on the episode the other night. The entire cast does a consistently good job IMO but Quinn may be the finest actor of all.

Hobbes said...

Warning!!! If Lost theories take away your Lost experience then please don't read the following.




Oohh I really don't know if this has been thought of yet but the flash as Locke was climbing down the well gave me an idea.

What if the purpose of the Swan station was to keep the island from moving; stationary in time. Every 108 minutes by releasing the build up of required energy before it had enough "juice" to move on to its next available window?

Perhaps that's why no one (The Lamp Post, Widmore) was unable to find it (and since all the Dharmites were killed no one other than The Others - The Enlightened, knew it's local or access window) because it was actually stationary. And if it was stationary, the calculations used to normally find a window wouldn't work because you would be trying to determine its next supposed location but ah-ha! tricky tricky it wasn't moving! So a window was never where it was supposed to be. Or perhaps this also acconts for why you could use a submarine or 325 degrees to get there.


I guess Dharma might have thought by keeping the island in a static or stationary time, not only could they get back and forth from it easily enough but that indeed they were "saving the world". Since by if the island is moving in time one could use the available windows to in effect move in and out of time in the real world. Affectively control history or in a more likely doomsday scenario totally scratch the proverbial record all together. Perhaps thinking that if the island was not moving nobody would be able to control world events.

Exempli Gratia (Latin for e.g. ;) you go to the island through a window at one point in time, let the island do it's moving around time thing for a while and then leave the island through a different exit window and end up at a different time. You could ineffect, affect! world history or even control it. -- Although the Tunisia exit space would still be the same.

But we can possibly surmise Dharma was wrong about their doom and gloom equations and the Island or Jacob knows it. Thus, this why the Island had John destroy it, the Hatch, so that he could later get it moving. Because as we know what happened must happen, so the island must get back on track again. If a bunch of people from 2004-2008 end up in the 1980's, well then the island better get moving again shouldn't it?. Beacuse the total and complete history (if you will - from one end of the loaf to the other) of the world actually involves the island moving through history like a needle and thread through the fabric of reality. If events in past, present and future don't happen then the whole fabric falls apart. No stitch to keep it all together.

I do see a few holes in the idea(s), maybe some of it works and some of it doesn't. It doesn't really account for the jumpers on the island but I don't know, what you (fellow bloggers, Brian) think?

Brian said...

Beerman - let me first say a big thank you for keeping our country safe, and allowing the biggest worry that most of us have to be "if Lost will be good" rather than "will a stranger try to shoot me today."

Having said that, I think the easiest, and semi-legal way to view streaming video on American websites would be to use a "proxy server" that would hide your IP, allowing the normal ABC.com stream to work for you.

You could Google the subject matter to use more, or go here for an article about it: http://www.ghacks.net/2006/05/01/howto-watch-abc-tv-streams-outside-the-usa/

Let me know if this doesn't work, or if you need anything else.

Salvar said...

Proxies are super-slow. There's no way they could support streaming video...

Hobbes said...

Beerman,

Legal issues and risks aside for a moment. After I watch Lost on TV I use the bit Torrent search engine http://thepiratebay.org/

Do a search for Lost. I use "uTorrent" to download (usually I find a single 350MB AVI file) and then use VLC Media player to watch the AVI file.

Take Care.

Ross Parmly said...

Any thoughts on this?

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html

Great analysis by the way!

Anonymous said...

Beerman

I live in the UK and can't wait til Sunday evening here to watch lost, so I download the episode via torrent on Thursday morning. Though I doubt you'll have the time for that. The best bet would be to find a good site that streams episodes quickly....

If anyone has any good site, please post

Anonymous said...

Rob Rose said...


Oh wow I didnt finish that thought... the reason why Walt needs to come up again...

Season 3 Finale. Why was big Walt from 2008 visiting Locke in 2004 in the Dharma grave... unless maybe this time.. he actually was there... skipping through time

Oh and just to further a point I made in the instant reactions comments. I remembered that Jack became addicted to (just gonna sound this out) CLANAZAPAN?... and I coincidentally happened to watch the season 2 episode "DAVE" yesterday, where Hurley sees Dave on the island. And the medicine that Hurley is given (which he doesnt take) IS CLANAZAPAN? which Hurely explains later on in the episode is a drug that you take when you're seeings things that aren't there, to make them go away.

So Jack became addicted to them because he was avoiding his father.

Dana said...

Great analysis, Brian. I really appreciate the time you take to do this blog every week.

Just one thought for you this time. Perhaps the majority of Katie's hostility toward Jack/Locke had a lot more to do with Jack's drug problem and obsession with returning to the island than having a problem with Locke himself. It's obvious she was already completely fed up with Jack since he had to beg her to meet him.

VictorC said...

Great analysis Brian.

Rob Rose, stop teasing us and come out with it. :)

Rob Rose said...

Victor, haha, i did...

some reason it got published as Anonymous my names still in there there... just some psycho babble about Walt and Clanazapan and Season 2 episode... ya know... the usual haha

S said...

Thanks for the preview warnings Brian, highly appreciated.

I really hope the writers haven't fluffed on the story and timelines.

Is Ben really hurt do we think? Or did they put him in hopsital because of his pre-flight dock (penny-killing??)injuries?

We know he is no longer healed by the island (spinal cancer), does this mean that even if his philosophy is all about the natural island that the island is not reciprocating.

Anonymous said...

Beerman,
I've been studying in Paris this semester, so to get my LOST fix, I use sites like youku.com to stream the show. A lot of the episodes have Chinese subtitles, but its easy and safe way to watch.

Anonymous said...

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Smaelb said...

Great thought rob... And that could explain the differences between what Locke says to Jack, and what Jack says to ben/kate.
He was out of pills, then couldn't avoid his father. Maybe there's one more off-island-Jack/ghost Christian scene to see.

And you may be right for Walt. Darlton said that they always knew that the kid will grow up faster than the show.

Ryan said...

When Ben turned the wheel and left the island he skipped forward in time. Isn't it possible that when Widmore turned the wheel to leave the island he went back in time, allowing him to have time to become a CEO of a major corporation and to have Penny?

Melissa said...

First off, Brian, give those instant reactions anytime, whether you change your opinions by the time you've had deeper thought. You're the first place I go for post-Lost episode analysis.

You never disappoint.

I applaud your ability to put your thoughts out there. I am too timid to share my crazy theories.

All I want is for Locke to be whole and fulfilled and for Des and Penny to get their happily ever after. See what you've got in your crystal ball. :)

Dharma Mayonnaise said...

To the few commenters who suggested that the writing was disappointing and left inconsistencies (esp. regarding Locke’s interactions with the 06), I think Darlton and Co deserve the benefit of the doubt to let the plot play out and give them time to revisit the issue later on. While it may seem that the main thrust of a ‘Locke off the island’ focus may be over, in no way do I think that we’re through with flashbacks or more clues as to what exactly made the 06 come back.

Clearly Kate and Hurley specifically changed their mind for reasons they didn’t want to get into it and I think it’s reasonable to assume that we’ll get to revisit that later on. It’s not unreasonable to think that, in the short time between Locke getting in the accident/speaking with Jack to him being killed, Jack may have been visited by Chrisitian (I like the person who called him Ghost Dad – Bill Cosby rocks) or a ghostly Locke.

Anyway, my point is that I think we will get more information on Locke and the 06 (including Jack) although that could be through more indirect measures.

Also, I second the person who applauded Terry O’Quinn as an actor. I think he’s fantastic.

Anonymous said...

Someone suggested pressing the button kept the island stationary. I'd like to suggest that pressing the button was MOVING the island every 108 minutes. I theorize that the FDW was held temporarily stationary by some Dharma mechanism, causing a buildup in magnetic force. Then it was pushed forawrd every 108 minutes, moving the island incrementally in time and space and releasing the energy. When Desmond turned the key, a large amount of energy (perhaps years' worth)was released and the island became stationary. That is how the freighter was able to stay off shore. It also caused the FDW to "freeze up". When Ben moved the wheel which had been frozen, it came off its axis and jumped around causing uunpredictable movements in time and space. John put the wheel back in place when he left the island. That is why the left-behinders are now moving normally through the time that they are in (the 70's). I suspect that the FDW is now moving normally, like a watch, the way it did before Dharma messed around with it in the first place. Hawkings knew where the window was, not bacause of Lamppost predicitons (that was just an elaborate show for the benefit of the O6ers), but because the plane from the future landed on the island of the past and she had foreknowledge of it.

I can't understand why some O6er's would land in the 70's with others (at least Sun) in the present. It doesn't make sense. It also messes up my above theory. So I will suggest that Locke and the newbies are indeed in the 70's as well, and that the journal is someone else's (Ellie's?) and will become the property of Daniel sometime in the future.

That said, I'm gonna go take an aspirin.

Beerman said...

Brian and fellow fans,
Thank you so much for your kind words (and also the great advice on where to find the episodes). If anyone is going to visit Kabul, let me know.
Take care, and thanks again.

jouman said...

First of all I wan't to thank you for this blog. I recently discovered this page and I've red all analyzes from season 5. Very interesting and great ideas!

One comment about the Widmore vs. Ben - evil vs. good set-up.
Lostpedia says about Charles Widmore:
"In the DVD commentary for 'The Constant', Damon Lindelof describes Widmore as 'the big bad' of the show. "
-So I guess even if Ben is a liar and has done bad things, Widmore is the bigger bad. Lostpedia also says that Damon Lindelof is currently the head writer of the show.

Other thing that came to my wifes mind was that Charles Widmore is pretty young looking for 67-71 years old (he is born 1937, so 67 in 2004 and 71 in 2008). What do you think? Maybe he has also skipped in time?