Tuesday, March 10, 2009

"LaFleur" Analysis!

It's an easy week. For all those who have been beyond confused by the concept of "whatever happened, happened" and all the jumps through time, this episode should be an easier one to digest. Even though "LaFleur" featured two "skips" through time - they were both quick, and one seemingly permanent. Also - instead of jumping back and forth between what was happening on the Island in 1970 vs. 2008 vs. what is going on off the Island, we were able to stay situated within a three year span (1974-1977) with a specific group of characters for the vast majority of the episode. As a result, it was the most straightforward episode of the season, and really reminded me about the Lost we all fell in love with during Season One, where the story was driven equally by both the characters and the circumstances, instead of our characters being "along for the ride" as the circumstances takeover the story.


If I had to guess, based on this episode, the time traveling stuff is going to go on the back-burner for a while, perhaps only to reappear one more time this season (to eventually reunite EVERYONE in the proper time period of 2008 - which I'm currently guessing will be tied into "The Incident" / Faraday in the Orchid… and will be the big event of the season finale). So, for the first time this season, we don’t have to start our discussions with advanced theories about the space-time continuum and the end of the world. Instead, we can start with something much easier this week...


Love! I know that some people absolutely hate the "Love Rhombus" storylines on Lost involving Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet - and want the show to focus on nothing but Island mythology, time travel mumbo-jumbo, and the science behind Smokey, but these people are probably big nerds who have never been to second base with a girl. Love makes the world go round (and draws that all important female demographic!), so it was nice to see a little honest to goodness lovin' on Lost that didn’t involve heavy drama and crying (cough cough Kate cough cough). Although it was almost entirely contained within a single episode, the relationship between Sawyer and Juliet seemed totally honest, slowly developing over the course of three years (instead of Kate and Sawyer - who really have only known each other for three months). It kinda crushed me at the end when Sawyer didn't tell Juliet the phone message from Jin, since it means he might be secretly still harboring some feelings for Kate. I know the "who will they end up with?" storyline makes for good TV drama, but the logical side of me makes the answer pretty obvious.


Jack and Kate are both messed up. They're great for each other, and the original "couple" on the show. Sawyer and Juliet are both awesome and now have this super-unique shared experience that has brought them together. Plus, Kate is kinda crazytown. If Sawyer was smart, he'd give up on her and stick with the much more stable (and nearly just as hot) girl in Juliet! Even if it takes us another season and a half to get to this resolution, I just hope it ends with Kate-Jack and Sawyer-Juliet… or in a perfect world, Kate-Juliet.


But enough with the teenage girl drama, on to the bigger questions from the episode.


The Four-Toed Statue. After over two seasons of waiting, the Four-Toed Statue finally made a reappearance this episode, in all its complete, massive glory. Although we only got a fleeting glimpse of the back of this statue, it appeared to be Egyptian in nature since it seemingly had a headdress and was holding an Ankh (cross with a loop at the top - don't worry, we'll talk more about Ankhs later). 


However, after doing some extensive research on Ancient Egypt on Wikipedia, none of the over 60 Gods and Deities were a perfect match to what our four-toed friend. Most websites are going with Anubis (the God of the Underworld) or Tawaret (the Fertility Goddess) as the closest match, but neither seems to match exactly. Check it out:




This reminds me of what happened the last time Lost sent me down the path of spending hours researching Ancient Egypt - trying to translate the hieroglyphics from the 108 Clock inside the Swan Hatch during the second season. After applying a lot of energy and brain power that could have been used solving the world's problems / writing the great American novel, we arrived at the general consensus that it meant "to cause death" or "die". We all felt pretty smart, and it seemed to fit with the meaning behind the 108 Clock.


However, a few months later show creators Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof would tell us that the countdown timer sequence meant "underworld", but was also "subject to interpretation". To me, that meant they didn't really intend for us to translate it quite as literally. So before we all get too crazy about analyzing the Four-Toed Statue and what it might mean (Anubis means they are all dead! Tawaret allowed the people on the Island to have babies!) we should keep in mind that there's a chance the writers on Lost just told their special effects team "Hey, make a big Egyptian-looking statue" that isn't supposed to be any one deity in particular… or maybe it's going to end up being Sawyer after all (just kidding).


The one thing that the existence of the Four-Toed Statue proved was the overall timeline regarding the FDW. In "Ancient Egyptian Times" (read: old), there was just a rope in the ground, thanks to Sawyer holding onto it when a flash happened. This must have led to the well eventually being dug in that location (to figure out where the rope was leading). By 1974, the well has been filled up by dirt. This could have occurred before Dharma arrived (as a preventative measure by the Others to keep people from messing with time), or shortly after Dharma arrived (again, by the Others to keep Dharma from finding the FDW). It seems somewhat unlikely that Dharma themselves would fill it in, only to dig it up later when constructing the Orchid Station.


So, in summary…


Rope in the ground --> Well --> Filled in Well --> Orchid Station


Of course, this brings up the question - where did the FDW come from? The earliest point we have seen in the Island timeline is the rope in the ground… and we know that the FDW existed then, since Locke turned it to stop the skipping. That means when the ancients dug that rope up, the FDW was already there, with a ton of earth sitting on top of that cavern. So has the FDW just "always been there?" Is it just a part of the Island? It hurts my head to think about (so much for this being an "easy week"), but I'm guessing this is a question that won't be answered for quite some time - if ever. I'm leaning towards "the FDW has always been there, and exists outside the normal space-time continuum" (which explains why it was "off axis" when Locke found it in ancient time, even though it was Ben that pushed it off axis in 2005).


Ankh. Before we wrap up the "Ancient Egypt" portion of the Blog, we need to talk about Ankhs (Ankhi?). After Paul died, the necklace that Amy removed from his body was an Ankh Necklace, featuring the same cross with a loop at the top that the Four-Toed Statue appeared to be holding in one or both hands. As I mentioned in the Instant Reactions, the ankh is the Egyptian hieroglyph for eternal life and fertility, which opens up the possibility for some pretty wacky theories.



Could this be why Amy was able to successfully give birth to a baby on the Island, whereas all others have died? She had some ancient Egyptian mojo on her side, since she had Paul's Ankh Necklace in her possession? Tying it back to the Four-Toed Statue, did the statue exist (holding a big, honking ankh) to provide that same mojo on a much larger scale - like to everyone on the Island? Did the destruction of the statue lead to the inability for people on the Island to make babies? If Paul had this Ankh Necklace, does that mean he was a descendent of the Ancient Egyptian Island dwellers, who joined Dharma for some reason, like because he fell in love with Amy? Is this why the Others shot and killed him, since he was a traitor?


It's a fun theory, but unfortunately, I think it's more likely that the Ankh Necklace was simply a plot device. Amy needed to have something of Paul's in her drawer for Horace Goodspeed to find - so that he would flip out about it and end up having the heart-to-heart conversation with Sawyer about "is three years long enough to get over someone?" - so that the audience could have a reason for Sawyer to talk about his feelings about Kate - leading up to their reunion at the end of the episode.


Having that object be a necklace that Amy removes from Paul's dead body is a neat way to accomplish this - but the object could have just as easily been something else. When you think about it, we've already seen a ring become the object of separated love with Sun and Jin and a watch be used as a plot device with Jin and Michael - so there wasn't a lot of jewelry left that could have been used without seeming repetitious to some degree.


Why make the necklace an Ankh Necklace? Well, Paul is a dude - and guys don’t really wear necklaces unless they are military or religious. Given the hippie roots of Dharma (did you catch the pot brownie reference?!), making it a normal cross would seem a little out of place. But making it an Ancient Egyptian Ankh makes Paul seem like a hippie who loves how "trippy" Ancient Egypt seemed. Personally, I would have went for Paul having a hemp necklace - but that might have been too blatant.


It would be cool if the first, wackier theory about fertility turned out to be true - but I'm guessing the second, plot-functional theory is the case. I'm reminded of the bracelet that Sayid pulled off Naomi in "The Economist". After people came up with numerous theories about how that bracelet connected to Elsa's bracelet in the flashforwards, Damon Lindelof responded that "there is no connective tissue. Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet." Maybe in this case, an Ankh is just an Ankh.


Babies. But what about Amy being able to give birth? Why was she able to succeed where so many Others had failed in recent years? The episode left it somewhat open-ended by saying that the Dharma women usually left the Island to give birth. Was this because they found they were unable to give birth on the Island, or because they were just rational people who would rather deliver in a hospital rather than a jungle? It's worth going back and reviewing the "rules of babies" that we've picked up from Lost over the years:

  1. Babies conceived off-Island are able to be born on the Island (Aaron).
  2. Babies conceived on-Island are able to be born off the Island (Ji Yeon).
  3. Babies conceived on-Island will kill the mother and child before the third trimester if on-Island (Juliet said so).


In Amy's case, we don't know if the baby was conceived on-Island or off-Island, since Dharma seemingly came and went from the Island with ease thanks to the submarine. For the sake of argument, let's assume it was conceived on-Island - assuming the baby is Horace's, and he was some type of "leader", I'd think he would stay on the Island all the time. Even though Amy delivered her baby "early", which is why she was still on-Island, she seemed to be in her third trimester judging by the size of her belly. This means that the "rules" didn't apply to her. Was she special, or did the rules change between 1977 and 2001 (when Juliet arrived on the Island)?


I think if Dharma had prior experience with their women dying during childbirth, there would have been a lot more precaution to ensure that Amy was off-Island well in advance of her due date - and I think there would have been a lot more shock and excitement once Amy actually gave birth. So either they were unaware of the potential danger of pregnant women on the Island… or they didn't have anything to worry about since it didn't apply to them. This also marks the second time this season that we've seen a baby born / recently born among the Dharmites (Baby Chang) - and while we don't know all the details surrounding that birth either (it very well could have been off-Island), it's pretty ironic that giving birth on the Island would eventually become such a huge issue, when it doesn't seem to be a problem in 1977… at least not for Dharma.


Who is to say that Others ever had the ability to give birth on the Island? Although we theorized that Faraday (and maybe Penny) were the offspring of Ellie Hawking and Charles Widmore (Others in 1954), there's no way to confirm that they were actually born on-Island. In fact, having them need to be born off-Island would provide an explanation for why Ms. Hawking would leave the Island in the first place. On the other hand, what would separate an Other from a Dharma? You would think the same "unique electromagnetic properties" of the Island would apply to both - unless the effects increased with time, and the longer you are on the Island, the more dramatic the consequences of birth become. Still, that wouldn't explain why it was so critical that Sun get off-Island last season, since she had only been there for a few months, whereas Amy had been there for at least three years… unless Juliet was simply making an assumption that Sun would have issues with her pregnancy due to all her previous experience with the Others.


In the end, I think it boils down to one of two explanations:


1. The Others have never been able to reproduce on the Island.


But this would mean there is something that distinguishes an "Other" from someone else on the Island - like an "initiation" of sorts that somehow makes them different. Otherwise, the forces of the Island should be working against Dharma having babies the same way they are working against the Others. It sounds weird, but I wouldn't rule it out - especially with the talk of The Temple, the branding of Juliet to make her an "outsider", and the Others' seeming immunity from the Island skipping.


2. The Others used to be able to reproduce, but something changed.


This could be something very straightforward. After the Purge, there could have been residual poison gas on the Island, for some reason making childbirth impossible. Or, after "The Incident", maybe there was so much electromagnetic charge floating around the Island that it had some effect on the Island preggos. I can't explain why either of these would have an effect on only pregnant women, instead of everyone overall living on the Island - but it's possible.


Or, it could be something a little more interesting… like the Others falling out of touch with the Island. It's an old theory of mine dubbed "The Cowboys and Indians Theory". For the newer readers of the Blog, or those who have forgotten it, here's a quick summary of what I wrote way back in the magical year of 2007:


Cowboys and Indians. Let’s assume that back in the day, pre-Dharma, the Others used to be “one with the Island”, living in peace and harmony, and reaping the potential super-natural benefit of eternal life because of it. Then one day, along come the Dharmites, who start infringing on their territory – tearing the Island apart building various “Stations”, carrying out freaky experiments (potentially using the Others as test subjects even), and generally destroying the peaceful hippie vibe of the Island. The Others recruit Ben as a Dharmite who can relate to their Dharma-hating, and along with some other Rebel Dharmites, they carry out “The Purge”, thinking it’ll mean a return to their peaceful ways of the past.


Unfortunately, they realize that running water and electricity are pretty nice things to have – so instead of returning to their village (or Temple, or wherever they live), they setup camp in the Barracks. From here, it’s a slippery slope. The Others get a taste for television, the Internet, and Dharma Beer. They continue to move farther and farther away from the “oneness” with the Island that they used to have. In fact, to outsiders (and we, as viewers for the first two seasons), it’s hard to distinguish them from the hated Dharmites. They’re wearing their clothes, using their Stations, and carrying out some freaky experiments of their own (Krazy Karl's Rave Room, anyone?).


Irony! Much like Sawyer becoming the man he hated the most, the Others became the very civilization that they were trying to rid themselves of with the Purge.


The assumption here is that as the Others fell out of favor with the Island, they lost the ability to have babies on the Island, almost as a punishment. It picks up on some of the themes we've seen over the years like the conflict between Alpert and Ben, the Others embracing Locke as their new leader, and Ben fighting to keep his place on the Island using things like the Looking Glass. In a nutshell, although Ben was useful for getting rid of Dharma, he led the Others down a path where they "lost their way". Unfortunately, much like the first theory, I can't explain this with science - but it's a much more mystical explanation for the baby-making-issues, which seems more in tune with the Lost way of doing things.


Finally, who is Baby Goodspeed? We didn't get a name for him in this week's episode, but based on the timing his character would be in his late 20's in 2008. Unfortunately, there really aren't any available characters to fit that bill where we don't already know other details about their birth, which eliminate them (assuming that Miles is Baby Chang, and Faraday's Mom is Ms. Hawking). Also, I've always assumed that Ben was the only Dharmite to survive the Purge, so unless Baby Goodspeed left the Island before the Purge, he would be dead anyways, right? Although this is Lost, and every character seems to have a very specific purpose, at this point, I'm thinking that Baby Goodspeed is similar to the Ankh - a plot device for this week's episode, and not a character that will grow up to be a main character on the show.



The Truce. In the past, I've proposed that there was an internal debate among the Others about how to deal with Dharma. Some probably sided with Charles Widmore in wanting to "work with them" and some probably wanted to "kill them all". Alpert seems to be somewhere in the middle, and was likely the one to create a truce with Dharma while they sorted things out. There were probably specific guidelines about where Dharma could and couldn't go without suffering consequences - and I'm guessing that Amy and Paul stepped out of those boundaries for their little picnic. The fact that the Others would have so quickly killed them for breaking this truce makes me think that those Others were ones who sided with the "kill them all" way of thinking. This would confirm Richard's reaction and way of dealing with Dharma. He pretty calmly talked to Goodspeed and Sawyer, and asked for Paul's body as a way of showing his people that both sides suffered losses - probably in an effort to placate them and prevent them from storming the Dharma Barracks and killing more innocent people. Unfortunately, it probably won't be long before more situations like this occur and the situation continues to escalate until we get to the point where the "kill them all" Others become a majority… leading to the Others recruiting Ben to rid themselves of Dharma once and for all.


As I said in my preview for this episode, the fact that Alpert has now interacted with both Locke and Sawyer in the past has some pretty big repercussions on understanding how the Others dealt with the Survivors of Oceanic 815 in 2004. Alpert would have known that no matter what the Others did, Locke and Sawyer (at the very least) would survive long enough to start skipping through time - which may have prevented the Others from launching a full-out attack on our Survivors to wipe them out from the start. But I think the more interesting thing is that although Ben may have been "in charge" at that point, it seems like Alpert had become less and less of a fan of his actions over the years. The arrival of Oceanic 815 could have given Alpert the opportunity he needed to convince them that Locke was "chosen" (he has the ability to travel through time!), and this was the man destined to become their leader… conveniently removing Ben from the picture.


Boy, would I kill for a Richard Alpert flashback to confirm some of this stuff.


Okay, enough blabbering for this week. Sorry for the delay, but with Lost on a repeat this week, I figured this would give you something to chew on during the week. Also, this provides us with a good chance to do some Q&A - so if there are any questions that you have about this season thus far, or Lost in general, and want my opinions on them, feel free to ask them in the Comments Section, and I'll make a post with my responses either before my "Namaste" Episode Preview, or along with it.

Finally, and most importantly this week... 

Go Dayton Flyers!





Anonymous said...

Great analysis. Go Flyers!!

Unknown said...

Repeat? When did this happen?

Sam said...

Another baby! Why?!?!?! There must be a reason for so many babies/kids.

Also, Brian, I think you are missing the main point about Paul's Ankh. it is a direct allusion to Paul Anka, who wrote (according to Wiki) such (Sawyer-centric) hits as: "You Are my Destiny," "Lonely Boy," "I Miss You So," "Puppy Love," "One Man Woman/One Woman Man," "I Don't Like to Sleep Alone," "It's Hard to Say Goodbye," and my two favorite Lost-centric titles, "Times of Your Life" (can you say 'time loop'?) and "(You're) Having my Baby."

see how it all ties together? if Paul Anka's face is on that 4-toed statue, I'll bug out!

NathanColquhoun said...

good post,

could the baby have been Karl?

singhy said...

Thanks Brian! I am completely with you on the Ankh being of relatively little importance, especially to an explanation of why Amy can give birth. I also just kept thinking "if it is so dangerous to be pregnant in your 3rd trimester, surely Amy would have long-since been taken off the island?". I am still open to the Others being 'different' explanation, though, after all Richard Alpert is certainly quite different (and we still don't know why)!

However my question for you - just to get your thoughts - is "What do you think the repercussions (if any) of Miles being a Dharmite at the same time he is born, and our survivors being present at the same time Benjamin Linus is a Dharmite, are?"

Thanks again

omanni said...

Have you thouht that why Richard thinks Locke is the leader of the Others?
Locke didn't success in those tests that Richard did to him when he was young.

I think the only reason that Richard thinks Locke should be the leader is that Locke said it to him in 1954. So it's a loop. Maybe Locke shouldn't actually be the leader?

Just came to my mind. What do you think?

pete said...

In the episode where Ben was born on the side of the road and his mom died, it was Horace Goodspeed and his wife Gloria that stopped to help Ben's dad. Horace later helped Ben's dad get a job on the island with Dharma, after Ben was older.

In this episode, Horace's wife is AMY.

So what happened to Gloria? Or Amy? Why was Horace on the mainland when Ben was born? Was it before or after Sawyer and crew showed up on the island? And is it possible a young Ben Linus is in the Dharma camp with Sawyer and crew?

Dave Harty said...

I beieve that the Ankh has a little more significance. I think she took it intentionally (and secretly) from Paul and then hid it from Horace. If that is the case, she must know (or at least believe) that is has a special power. But that's just me.

My big question from this week is what made Julliett decide to stay longer than 2 weeks? Was it her feelings for Sawyer or something else? She seemed pretty determined to return to the real world when that sub left in 2 weeks.

Also, did Juliett know about the purge and how Dharma came to its end?

TheycallmeVic said...

Great review Brian.

Concerning the well being filled in, when I first saw it I thought that it was simply being built, but the stonework looks old. Unless they didn't have any new stones to build it with, that's the safest assumption.

Your comment on the repercussions of Alpert meeting Locke in the past reminded me of that episode last season when Locke came to the Others and they were complaining to Alpert about Locke not being what he mentioned to them. It definitely showed Alpert had spoken about him and they all were expecting Locke to be so much more.

Pickle said...

Brian - What are your thoughts on the "whatever happened happened... you can't change the past" stuff? When Sayer and Juliet killed the two Others, wouldn't that have changed things? The two Others were killed. Amy was spared. It seems to me like a lot of the past has now been changed.

Hobbes said...

I always thought one theory as to what was causing the baby issue was that because the island provides some form of x-healing factor (to those in its favour or as the miracle healer that Rose and Bernard saw in Australia said that there are places on the planet that can help you more than others), that if the body were continually healing that it might treat a fetus as a foreign entity to the body and ultimately (because the mother's body is trying to heal itself) cause a conflict between the two processes - "the healing" and "the trying to reproduce" which results in death for both mother and baby.

Perhaps in Amy's case this wasn't a healing place for her (like it is for Rose) and so her immune system wasn't stuck in overdrive.

But all-in-all I am more inclined to think that Sawyer's pep talk to Juliet was a clue, "well maybe whatever caused that hasn't happened yet."

Unknown said...

It seems to me that the reason pregnant women went off island to have babies is because there were no doctors who could deal with anything our of the ordinary. This is why Juliet had to step in - Amy's baby was breach and the attending doctor didn't know what to do. Perhaps Dharma didn't even have an obstetrician.

Ben said...

The two other guys always died, they were killed by Sawyer/Juliet in the past. Remember its not fragmented line like Doc Brown showed in Back to the Future. There is one line, You cannot change the past, if someone does got back in time and does something, it always happened that way. For instance, Sawyer couldn't kill 1970's Rupert, cause he is still alive in 2005. Horace dies in the purge, sawyer can't make him leave and not "die inthe purge" because if he tried, it wouldn't matter, cause whatever happened, happened. Obviously any attempts at this woudlnt' matter cause he still dies there.

You're thinking of just the timeline we are seeing. You have to think of if this show was chronological. Nothing can happen in 1970 that affects/changes what we've seen happen in 2003.

LOSTinOK said...

For all of those hoping for the "Love Rhombus" to end with a Kate-Juliet hook-up (Brian), watch the movie Gia. Absolutely nothing to do with LOST, except some good action between Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet) and Angelina Jolie.

Just putting that out there.

Great post Brian. LOVE this blog!

Anonymous said...

Yay Brian! Another wonderful post. :)

I was happy too that this was a more "simple" episode, seeing that the time travel of daylights savings is confusing enough! ;)

If Sawyer goes after Kate, I'm going to be pretty bummed... though it makes for a more dramatic episode when Kate and Juliet are handcuffed in mud together! Both first interested in Jack, only to later be into Sawyer... sheesh. rhombus indeed.

Remember the first time Sawyer met Juliet? She tazed him!

Gerbs said...

Hey Brian! Great post as always. I have a whacky theory of my own. What if the Others at some point jumped back in time, like WAY back, and are having to "wait" for their current time to age normally? That would explain Alpert,at least. Also, remember when Juliet was working with the birthing mothers, and she said that one of the birthing moms' wombs was that of a 75 year old? Maybe their inability to birth is due to the fact that their bodies are very old from a time skip, but their outward appearance stays normal. What say you?

Unknown said...

Regarding the disappointment surrounding Sawyer not telling Juliet what was said in the phone call...that Jack, Kate, and Hurley were back on the island...remember, Juliet had been in love with or at least very much liked Jack, maybe that is why he didn't tell her just as much as his feelings for Kate.

Pickle...whatever happened, happened. So Sawyer always killed the others and saved Amy. It happened, it was always going to happen, so there was never a timeline where that didn't happen. Nothing in the past was changed, because it always happened. It actually makes the storyline easier to follow than if they were able to change the past.

Unknown said...

@Omanni: That would explain why Locke always seems so certain, but then looks completely baffled when things go wrong. But how would you explain the island's apparent support (Christian Shepard, Smokey, etc.)?

nickflight said...

We will probably find out more in the next episode about why Sawyer didn't tell Juliet what was said in the phone call. I don't think it will have anything to do with Jack or Kate because Sawyer is clearly in love with Juliet now. He probably just wanted to check things out for himself first without raising any suspicions from Horace or anyone else at Dharma.

Joyce Saenz Harris said...

Pete: In "The Man Behind the Curtain" (Ben's flashback), Horace was with a woman named Olivia, who later was Ben's teacher on the Island. Lostpedia says:

"On the DVD commentary track for 'The Man Behind the Curtain,' Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse describe Horace and Olivia as factoring significantly in the future 'game plan' for Lost. Olivia's last name has not been revealed within the show, however, she was listed as Olivia Goodspeed on ABC's Lost website and referred to as Horace Goodspeed's wife in the pop-ups in 'Cabin Fever-Enhanced.' A wedding ring is visible on the ring finger of her left hand during the school scene."

So it would seem Olivia was supposed to be Horace's wife (and not, say, his sister). So why is Amy his wife in 1977? Might just be a change of game plan the producers were forced to make because actress Samantha Mathis, who played Olivia, reportedly did not want to rejoin the cast of Lost.

So maybe Amy is just taking over the "significant" role that Olivia was supposed to play.

Unknown said...

To omanni: That makes a lot of sense, and with Sawyer building Locke up to be some sort of prophet, it makes sense that the Others and Alpert have been waiting for Locke to come to the island for 50 years!

Also, it could make sense if the baby born on the island was Penny. She wouldn't necessarily need to be Widmore's biological daughter, and it would make sense that the Others would steal her if having babies on the Island was actually an impossibility in the 50's as well. The Dharmites might simply not be privy to this fact since they might have always been going off the island to conceive. What do you think about the possibility of that?

Matthew's theory of the old uteruses makes a lot of sense, and it's really cool to think of the Others as having been there for such a long time.

omanni said...

"But how would you explain the island's apparent support (Christian Shepard, Smokey, etc.)?"

to salvar:
My theory isn't explaining Christian Shepard's support to Locke (at least yet), but it explains the Smokey.
Smokey couldn't kill Locke because then Locke wouldn't be able to travel back in time and tell Richard that he is the leader. Whatever happened, happened.

Maybe Jackob's and Christian Shepard's behavior is explained later? Or then this theory is wrong :D

jack said...

the age old question remains "what happened to the FTS from the past (it was a full statue) to the present (it is just a foot)"? how did it get destroyed? what is its' significance?

BlackRob said...


The baby was a boy, so I think that effectively eliminates Penny as a possibility

Steve said...

Flyers are OK, but as for todays game. GO SPIDERS. GO SPIDERS!

Steve said...

Paul "Ankha"
I couldn't help it, and I wonder if the writers named him 'Paul' for that reason.

jon. said...

I think the identity of the baby might not be so important. Maybe it is there mostly to build up the childbirth problem that have been a recurring theme in Lost. Who/What will introduce the risk factor that later risks the lives of pregnant women on the island?

Also, Sam's Paul Anka theory is hilarious. Thousands of many die hard Lost fans would anger to the point of brain implosion if it was true. We've waited years for the great mystery to unravel and... ...it is all a Paul Anka schtick! Oh, the horror! :-)

tkap91 said...

quick idea for the baby's id, not really significant to the actual storyline, but just one of those " o wow, cool" lost moments: Charlie?

EddieBrick said...

side note from all the baby talk...

Has anyone seen this video and noticed that at the end (3:30ish) Chang appears to say "Lafleur what are you doing??"... its a bit foggy but its a definite possibility, any thoughts?


(i posted this on the preview thread earlier today by accident, can you tell im new to the blog commenting?????)

jon. said...

EddieBrick, I can't hear "LaFleur" in the clip. But it is Faraday's voice alright.

Smaelb said...

I think Ben caused the infertility on the island.His mother died giving birth,maybe Annie died too giving birth, which would be the beginning of these problems,which could have led to the purge.And remember Richard told Locke "they need someone to remind them they have more important things to do" (like what?Growing weed at the temple?:)). I think ben's obsession about fertility might explain the falling apart with Jacob.

Smaelb said...

And it just came to my mind: i think Ethan was raised off island. You don't become a very good surgeon on a healing island. he may not be amy's son...

Matt said...

Wasn't Goodspeed (or some variation of that) the guy who joined the 'Tailies' when they crashed, like Ethan did for our original survivors?

Could that be who the baby is?

singhy said...

Matt, the guy you're thinking of is Goodwin (and that was his first name!)

Rose said...

Did any of the bodies in the pit from "the incident" have their jumpsuits on w/ a name of LaFluer? Or were all the jumpsuits deteriorated too much?

What was the name of the Dharma man who was building a house in the woods that one of the Losties (Locke?) saw?

tkap91 said...

sorry, this is a little off topic, but just a little humorous.....the next dharma station is....


wu-tang clan ain't nothin 2 fuk wit