Saturday, February 27, 2010

"Lighthouse" Analysis!



Lost is depressing.


This week, I asked a few friends a very simple question: “In your opinion, what would be a ‘happy ending’ for Lost?” Initially, it sounds like a pretty simple question. But once you start pushing further, it gets far more difficult. People would give the generic answer of “everyone getting off the Island and being happy”… which I would counter with “what about Sawyer? Could he ever be happy off the Island?” or “didn’t we see that the Oceanic Six weren’t really happy off the Island, which is why they came back?”


When you start looking at a character-by-character breakdown, and what would be their “perfect ending”, it’s pretty depressing:


  • Jack – finding his purpose and reason for being on the Island… and then what? Staying on the Island forever to become the new Jacob? Getting back together with Kate? Having a child and proving that he’s a better father than Christian?
  • Kate – realizing that she can’t bring Crazy Claire back to Aaron? Settling for Jack, who told her that she wasn’t worth all the crap that’s happened on the Island in last season’s finale?
  • Sawyer – I’ve got nothing. If Sawyer gets off the Island, he’s going to go on a drinking binge and be super angry at the world. If he stays on the Island, he’s going to go on a drinking binge and be super angry at the world. Maybe in time, he’ll get over Juliet, but it’s not like he has much to go back to in the real world… and I can’t see him ending up with Kate after it’s so clear that he loved Juliet.
  • Sayid – he might already be dead and “claimed” by the dark side – but if not, I guess he can go back and build homes for the needy in exotic Island locales?
  • Hurley – perhaps if he went back to the real world, he would no longer be haunted by dead people / the Island, and could live out a happy life – but would the Numbers still bring him nothing but bad luck?
  • Locke – he’s dead, right? So there’s no chance for any sort of happy ending for his super tragic life, unless his essence can overpower Anti-Jacob and he “comes back to life” through this copy of his body?
  • Claire – she’s gone crazy, might be possessed by the dark side, and her hair is a mess… but in theory, she might be able to be “cured” and reunited with Aaron off-Island.
  • Sun and Jin – actually, they’ve got a shot. Reunite, get off the Island, get back to Ji-Yeon. That’s a happy ending!


The point is, on the whole, things are looking pretty bleak for the remaining “core Survivors” of Oceanic 815… and we didn’t even get into all the characters that have died along the way (Boone, Shannon, Charlie, Michael, etc)… and all for what?


Last week, I took a “big picture” look at Lost as a whole, trying to piece together the overall narrative of the Lost storyline. Looking back on it, it’s shocking how much of it centers around Jacob and Anti-Jacob, two characters who weren’t even introduced until last season’s finale. Even more shocking is how it seems as though our Survivors are nothing more than pawns in their game, with the possibility that nothing they could have done in their lives would have made any difference because these all-knowing beings have been guiding them to a certain destination all along.


It’s depressing, right?


And what is the end goal? To find a replacement for Jacob, since he knew that Anti-Jacob would eventually find his loophole? Did Jacob bring hundreds of people to the Island over the years, knowing that most of them would die in his mission to find a replacement? I love Lost Island and all, but short of saving the world, I can’t think of any mission that is worth this cost.


The other thing is – from the start, we’ve been told by the Lost writers that the primary focus on the show is about the characters. The Island, the mythology, all the weird stuff that happens serves as background to the main story of the Survivors of Oceanic 815 – their lives, how this experience changes them, and where they go from here. In the beginning, it seemed clear that the underlying theme for each character would be redemption of some kind. The characters were “lost” in life, and their experiences on the Island would help them find their purpose, find their way, get their lives back on track – and they would leave the Island better than when they first arrived.


Now, it’s looking more like it’s a question of “who will be lucky enough to survive?” with the possibility that they’re all going to be stuck on the Island forever.


Happy Losting, indeed!


Why do I bring all of this up, and where in the hell is your “Lighthouse” analysis? It’s coming, I promise.


The reason I bring this up is because I think we’re looking at the season all wrong. We’ve become so focused on the big mythological on-Island storyline (revolving around Jacob and Anti-Jacob) that we’ve lost focus on the characters… to the point where most people (myself included) are completely ignoring the Off-Island storylines – storylines that actually offer some hope and happy ending for our Survivors.


The more I think about it, the more confident I am that the Off-Island, Flash-Sideways storylines are going to serve a very important purpose. I’m fully expecting a reveal on the same level as the original Flash Forward where our minds are blown once we understand what exactly they represent.


For now, they represent hope.


They represent the hope that no matter how depressing everything on the Island is right now, and no matter how many people have died along the way, that there’s a chance that this is all going to come together with a happy ending at the end of the day. I still don’t have a great theory for how the On-Island and Off-Island storylines are going to tie back together, but fundamentally I could see a scenario where the Survivors get to choose between two paths – a “happy ending” where they never crashed on the Island, or going through all the pain and hardship on the Island over the past five seasons – but maybe doing something pretty important in the process… like saving the world.


Maybe it’s going to boil down to a question of “was it all worth it?” At the end of last season, Jack told Kate that it was not. At the end of this season, I’m willing to bet that his answer will change.


But I digress. Wasn’t there a Lost episode this week to be analyzing?


For an episode written by series masterminds Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, “Lighthouse” was surprisingly light on Island mythology. It was a bit surprising, since it seems like Damon and Carlton are traditionally the writers of the “big reveal” episodes where they want to be sure that the Island mythology is presented exactly correct. But aside from the scenes at the Lighthouse, most of the story focused on the characters – both on, and off the Island. Given my earlier tangent about stepping away from the big picture and getting the focus back on the characters, maybe that’s exactly what we should do this week as well.



Jack. “Lighthouse” was perhaps the first episode of this season where the Off-Island action equaled the On-Island action for the central character to the episode. What made the Off-Island action so intriguing for the first time this season?


The episode starts with Jack changing his shirt and noticing that he has an appendectomy scar. Remember, Juliet removed Jack’s appendix on the Island in late December 2004 (Season Four). When we later saw Jack Off-Island, in 2007, sporting this very minor scar:

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So over the course of three years, the scar basically disappeared.


In the Off-Island action of this episode, we see Jack sporting quite a larger scar – from a surgery that allegedly happened when Jack was “seven or eight”:

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Even more intriguing is that when Jack sees the scar, he doesn’t seem to remember it, very similar to how he looked so quizzically at the cut on his neck while onboard the Oceanic flight in the season premiere.


What’s going on here?


I had a long, thought out theory about how it may mean that the split between the two realities actually occurred around the time that the Island moved (since that was the only major Island event occurring in late 2004 / early 2005) – and that even though we all assume that it was our 1977 Time Traveling Survivors that got thrust back into the 2004 LA X reality – that might not be the case. Perhaps the movement of the Island actually caused the creation of these multiple realities, and somehow our Survivors got split into two worlds in the process – thus explaining Jack’s fresh scar.


But then I deleted it in far of a much more logical explanation.


If the prop folks on Lost can accidentally put the wrong date on Claire’s ultrasound photo, how can we expect them to make a scar that matches one from two seasons ago? Maybe they intentionally made it more dramatic so that the audience (along with Jack) would notice it – since the other one is admittedly pretty tough to pick out.


The real question isn’t why the scar looks the way it does – but why LA X Jack doesn’t remember it. If you buy into the theory that once they save the world, our Survivors will be given the choice between their current lives (with all the depressing death and trauma) vs. having it all never happen, it looks like picking Door #2 results in wiping out and rewiring their memories – and there’s going to be a learning curve as their consciousness comes to grips with what is real and what is a seeming dream… the memories they have from their On-Island experiences. This may just make the decision all the harder for our Survivors, since it would mean giving up the friendships / love / lessons they learned On-Island. I forget, is it better to have loved and lost, or never to have loved at all?


If you think the “Choose Your Own Fate” explanation for the Off-Island action is lame, there’s another more interesting theory that may explain Jack’s confusion over his scar. Remember the Season Three Desmond-centric outing “Flashes Before Your Eyes”? What happened with Desmond turned the fail-safe key and imploded the Swan Station (which is pretty damn similar to what Juliet did when she set off the Jughead)? He woke up and re-lived his past, just like our Survivors.


The difference is that our Survivors blew up the Hatch in 1977, which meant that the world existed differently for nearly 30 years before they “woke up” on the Oceanic Flight landing in LA X in 2004. That’s a lot of time for things to work out very different, especially given how much we now know about each character’s connections to the Island / Jacob’s influence on their lives. Without 30 years of Jacob messing with our characters’ lives, it’s realistic to think they would be totally changed.


For Desmond, he blew up the Swan Hatch in 2004 and “woke up” in 1996 – which means he actually went backwards. That would explain why things progressed as they always did during his “flash” – because in 1996, he’s still 8 years away from potentially changing the future.


If you buy into this second theory, it opens up a number of really exciting possibilities – and a ton of questions. Eloise Hawking told Desmond that the universe has a way of course correcting itself – and if you found a way to actually change the past, it would kill us all (similar to the Dogma “prove God infallible storyline”). Well, it certainly seems like our Survivors landing safely in Los Angeles and living totally different lives changed the past – so is the end of the world approaching?


I could totally get behind this theory for two reasons:

  1. It might explain Desmond’s re-introduction to the storyline. He’s apparently the only one who exists outside the “rules”, and might be the one can figure out what is going on, and in turn, who has to save the world.
  2. It would be ultra-cruel (and totally something I would do) to show all our Survivors life happily ever after in the LA X storyline only to have it come crashing apart and rip them back to the depressing reality on their lives on the Island in order to save the world.


Even though I have some rough sketches of how this would all work out in my head, even I don’t really understand it – so I’m sure there are a ton of holes in this theory as well. But I think I’ve given up on my original “Jacob’s Loops” theory in favor of one of these two – either the “Choose Your Own Destiny” or “Flashes Before Your Eyes” explanation for the Off-Island action… for now.


Okay, enough about the Off-Island stuff for this week.


Back to the Island



Adam and Eve. Low and behold, after being referenced out of nowhere during the “Lost for Dummies” Repeat of “The Substitute”, Adam and Eve made a special guest appearance this week. While the die-hard Lost fans clearly remember these two corpses, those slackers out there who don’t read the Blog probably needed that refresher so that once their identities are revealed, they actually care about it.


Hurley wonders aloud if they might be Survivors of Oceanic 815 that have been sent back in time – which of course, is exactly what most people have been guessing for the past five years. But who? Honestly, there doesn’t seem to be any characters on the show right now that “fit” into the mold. Remember, Adam and Eve were one male, one female - with one black and one white rock. The inclusion of the rocks hints at them being part of the same Island dichotomy as Jacob and Anti-Jacob… but unfortunately the only characters involved in any of the “Candidate” or “Recruiting” talk have been males.


My best guess, right now?


If the “Flashes Before Your Eyes” theory pans out, I could envision a scenario where Desmond (and Penny) have to go back in time to prevent the Incident and end up getting thrown back in time during the process, allowing them to live out their lives on the Island and eventually die together in a cave. It’s a happy / sad ending for their characters, but would fulfill Ms. Hawking’s promise to Desmond that the Island “isn’t done with him”, and would make Desmond as important in saving the world as she hinted all along.


It doesn’t really explain the black and white rocks, though.


If not, then we’re definitely due for at least a little more time travel on the Island, because there is no other explanation for the age of the bodies that makes any sense or ties to any of the characters on the show. All the other options are either too old (anyone associated with Richard, Jacob, or Anti-Jacob) or too young (anyone associated with our Survivors). These are people that need to die in the 1940’s – and we just don’t have anyone that fits that bill… yet.



The Visitor. Jacob told Hurley that someone was coming to the Island, and the Lighthouse was needed to help them find their way. But was it all just a ploy to get Jack and Hurley away from the Temple? Or was there some truth to Jacob’s claim?


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There’s a lot to think about here.


For one, we’ve only got thirteen episodes of Lost left, and a boatload of unanswered questions / dangling storylines. The introduction of any new character now is absolutely insane unless they are going to show up and answer all our questions. I don’t see that happening.


Out of the existing characters who could return to the Island, it’s a pretty short list that begins with Desmond and ends with Widmore. The problem is that Desmond has no intention of going back to the Island (at least not yet), and Widmore couldn’t find the Island if he tried.


Also, it’s not as though it’s easy to just stumble upon the Island. With it’s weird electromagnetic properties and surrounding storm, it’s always seemed like you had to head on a very specific bearing to find it in the first place – and the Island isn’t even visible until you pass through the stormy surrounding… at which point there would be no need for that Lighthouse.


So while I still have hopes about Desmond and Widmore returning to the Island, I can’t see the Lighthouse playing any role in their endeavors.


What about the Lighthouse itself?



Lighthouse. During my “big picture” analysis last week, I mentioned my hope that Jacob wasn’t some all-knowing, omniscient being – but instead was just an average guy who doesn’t age and can jump around the space-time continuum using the funky powers of the Island. To me, that would keep things more “realistic” (relatively speaking), and would require less explanation to understand how he was able to choose some of his Candidates so early in their lives.


Initially, it seemed as though “Lighthouse” showed that Jacob had indeed been watching our Survivors from the start, making him more of an all-knowing, godlike character than I had hoped… but the more I think about it, the less sure I am about that. After all, Jack (and Hurley) were both able to see the weird images in the Lighthouse mirrors – which may mean that the magical powers of the Lighthouse are simply tied to the mirrors / funky Island powers, and not to Jacob. Jacob is just the guy who hung out there and watched the action in the mirrors. With no TV on the Island, it was probably the next best thing.


But does this prove that Jacob has been watching our Survivors from the start? Did he know, in 1976, that Sawyer would grow up to be a Candidate on the Island, and touch him to ensure he “bumped him” towards the Island? Was he watching Sawyer before 1976 using the Lighthouse to determine that he would be a worthy potential Candidate? Or did Sawyer end up on the Island, leading Jacob to go back in time and examine his pre-Island life (both in person and using the Lighthouse) to determine if he was a worthy Candidate?

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I still come down on the side of “Jacob isn’t all knowing”. If Jacob was truly all-knowing, he wouldn’t have “guessed wrong” on the first 354 names written on the Lighthouse Wheel. I think the Lighthouse was Jacob’s way of gathering information on those characters that arrived on his Island, and to see which ones had the best potential to become his replacement. As each died, he crossed them off his list… which explains why Kate’s name is written, and not crossed out on the Lighthouse Wheel – but not in the Cave (at least that we saw). Jacob spied on her, and since she’s still alive, she’s still on the Wheel – but in watching her, he determined that she wasn’t “Candidate-worthy” for some reason (being too hot?)


It’s also appears that the Lighthouse is something built by Jacob, that was only intended to be used by Jacob. Even before Jack went smashy on the mirrors, it didn’t appear as though there were any open slots on the Wheel, and outside of our Candidate-Survivors, he wasn’t picking up a mirror TV signal for any of the other names. So I’m guessing the Lighthouse was built by Jacob to be used by Jacob – and the Next Jacob is going to be on their own when it comes to creepily spying on little kids around the world.


In the end, I think Jacob brought Hurley and Jack to the Lighthouse for two reasons – to help Jack realize that he was indeed “chosen” by the Island, and has some greater purpose there – and to get them the hell away from the Temple, where very bad things are about to go down.



Crazy Claire. A few weeks ago, Dogen told Jack that Claire had been “claimed by the darkness”. Although we still don’t know exactly what this means, or what happened to Claire, a few things are clear after this week’s episode. First and foremost, she’s batshit crazy. Her makeshift baby might be the creepiest thing we’ve ever seen in Lost history:


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So what do we know?

  • Claire explains that she hasn't been alone in the jungle for the past 3 years (and God only knows what happened to her during all the time traveling last season), but has a “friend” who told her that The Others have Aaron. She also claims her father corroborated the story.
  • The Others claim that Claire is crazy, and that the Others captured her (and apparently administered the same “test” as they did to Sayid, based on her hot poker scar on the shoulder) because she was “picking the Others off” in the Jungle.
  • At the end of the episode, Claire knows that SmokeLocke isn’t Locke – but is instead her “friend”.


When you add it all up, a story comes into view. Claire died in the Barracks Attack of Season Four. Afterwards she acted fairly normally at first – although Miles seemed to sense that something was off about her… we’ll see if he begins to sense the same about Sayid – but eventually was totally “claimed by the darkness”. This coincides with Claire walking off with Christian Shephard in the middle of the night, leaving Aaron behind.


Who is Christian Shephard? “Lighthouse” reminded us that his coffin ended up on the Island, sans-body. I’m guessing that Anti-Jacob “claimed” his body the same way that he “claimed” Claire and Sayid… which is quite different from what Anti-Jacob did with Locke, who he “cloned”. Why did Anti-Jacob go a different route with Locke vs. the other members of his undead zombie army? I’m not sure, but I am 100% certain that we’ll find out – and it may even provide a way for Locke to live on after all is said and done.


Anyways, it seems like “The Claimed” (oh – that sounds like a creepy horror movie title, I’m going to keep using it) retain some of their prior knowledge and traits. Claire is still obsessed with finding Aaron, just as she always was. However, there also may be some sort of transfer of knowledge from Anti-Jacob to The Claimed, since there’s no way in hell Claire would be smart enough to set traps / survive on her own / kill an Other without considerable influence from something else inside her. Maybe Anti-Jacob is only sharing the brain, or maybe it’s like the “Dark Passenger” from the Dexter novels.


The important thing is that Claire has spent the past three years killing Others, looking for Aaron, and sees SmokeLocke for who he is – her “friend” Anti-Jacob. You can argue the “good” vs. “evil” debate for Jacob and Anti-Jacob all you want, but there’s some pretty hard evidence here – Anti-Jacob lied to Crazy Claire to make her think the Others had Aaron, in an effort to trick her into killing them. Conversely, the Others clearly had her at some point (based on the evidence from their “tests” on her), but couldn’t kill her – just like they couldn’t kill Sayid, even after he failed the tests. In my book, killing people makes you more of a “bad guy” than those who refrain from killing… except in the case of Dexter, of course.


Jacob told Hurley that “someone bad” is about to arrive at the Temple. It’s gotta be either SmokeLocke or Crazy Claire. What they do when they arrive should go a long way in explaining who is really “good” and who is really “evil”.



Wow – what a strange, meandering, only semi-logical Blog post this has been! As you can tell, it looks like my attempts to understand Lost have finally fried my brain (or it could be the whiskey I started drinking mid-post).


I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – I am still as confused about Lost right now as I’ve ever been. It makes for super entertaining episodes, but super frustrating Blog posts. To quote Damon from the latest Entertainment Weekly:


“All we can say is, Be patient. You’ve come with us this far…whether you like it or not, you’re in the car and we’re driving. If you’re feeling sick, roll the window down and throw up. But don’t get out of the car.”


Until next week!


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32 comments:

CJ said...

Thanks, Brian, as always for your insights. I especially like your ideas for reconnecting Desmond and Penny to the current storyline(s) we have been given.

robpatt said...

couldn't agree more. I have been struggling with how they are going to wrap up the show because it has always been a character driven show. Maybe the flash sideways is the ending we have been hoping for. I know the show isn't going to cop out and just erase everything on island, but like you said... maybe the island stuff is necessary for the reset button to be pushed for the off island to be the only reality for our characters. I love Lost, and the past month have really thrown myself into the show more then anoy other season, but i think the mythology is facination to try to puzzle together, ultimately if we understand the mythology but the characters are screwed it isn't worth it.

Steve said...

If adam and eve could be Desmond, then why couldn't the smoke monster be someone on the island?
Perhaps he was pre-jacob and the form on the beach last season was just one of many formed he's assumed.

Mom said...

The only lostie inside the temple is Sayid.
When the temple battle is over - Jacob will come back to life in Sayid's body just as anti-Locke came back as Locke.(Think of all the symbolism when Sayid went in the water). Sayid finds redemption and guides the island.
The experiences on the island help the other characters to find their destiny -
Claire is happy in the end. Kate helps her in the LA hospital,and convinces her to keep her baby. Kate told Sawyer she came back to the island to reunite Claire and Aaron - done.
Sawyer will find Juliet and go out for coffee. We will see them walking into the sunset.
Jack will operate on John Locke and he will either walk, or at least find real meaning and happiness in life.
Maybe Jack and Kate will get together.
Hurley is strong and capable and running a big company.
Sun and Jin? Adam and Eve?
Desmond and Penny? Happy and at a family reunion with Widmore.
Eloise - not happy wherever she is.
Miles - happy - maybe helping Sayid run the island.
Smokey - dead
How our characters get from the trauma of the island to their destiny is what this season should be all about.
Oh, Ben is a very unhappy history teacher.

Oscar said...

LOL...Brian said "or it could be the whiskey I started drinking mid-post"

...I started drinking whiskey mid-readint the post...and he makes perfect sense to me now. Scary.

Red Khmer said...

You can count on it being SmokeLocke and Claire coming to the Temple next episode. And I'm assuming Jin and Sawyer will be with them. And that Sun, Ben, Ilana and Frank will arrive just in time for the fireworks.

I don't think Miles is going to be alive much longer. Someone has to die in the Temple confrontation and he seems the most likely candidate. I think Sun could very well die as well. Next episode is titled "Sundown," and I expect, just as with "Lockdown" in Season 2, the title will have a very literal meaning. You mention cruelty, and the writers have a habit of reuniting characters in order to kill one of them off immediately thereafter.

My prediction: In an assault on the Temple, SmokeLocke and Claire kill Miles (and a bunch of Other extras) and mortally wound Sun. Jin, unwilling to let his wife just die, revives her with the fountain water, against the advice of Dogen, thus unwittingly adding another minion to SmokeLocke's army. The opposing sides are then set: Team SmokeLocke = Sayid, Sun, Claire, Team Jacob = Jack, Hurley, Kate, with Sawyer as a wild card between both teams.

It's also possible that SmokeLocke will manage to convert all the 815'ers, except Jack (and probably Hurley) who will then have to complete some heroic deed to "fix" them all and save the world. This will lead to him becoming either the new Jacob, or the new Richard (if Hurley becomes Jacob), with the Smoke Monster still trapped in Locke's body, setting up an end scene where Jack and Locke sit on the beach in the places of Jacob and Anti-Jacob from "The Incident," and the whole cycle starts again.

Sorry for long post.

Uff said...

My two cents:

AntiJacob's name is Aaron.
Walt is coming to the island, not Desmond

stormko said...

Here's the thing about Adam & Eve—I don't think it is a couple who lived out their lives on the island, because that would mean:

1. They died at the same time next to each other. Likely?

or

2. They died and some third party put them in the caves. Who's the third party?

or

3. One of them died. And when it was time for the other to die, that person climbed up on the cave ledge and laid next to the bones of the first. pretty grim.

I don't think it will be Desmond & Penny because of little Charlie.

Although it doesn't work timeline-wise, Rose & Bernard seem like the ultimate choice. The couple who happily lived out their lives together on the island. As a side note, what was up with them offering Juliet a cup of tea in that precognitive way?

Someone on Jay & Jack's podcast said, what if the squirrel-baby (as Jorge Garcia refers to it) in Claire's crib was made out of Vincent's head. haha.

By the way, I think Darlton said we'd see Vincent again. I wonder how that will play out.

Boston Jon said...

Another great analysis

Boston Jon said...

Not sure who "Wallace" was/ is one number 108 on the dial, or if he/she means anything significant . . . but, for me anyways, the ultimate possible moment would be if the "kids" can back to the island to kick a little Smoley ass. Walt, Aaron (Jack's kid, Sun and Jin's), etc. are not done with this show.

Jacob said "They're coming" . . . no better answer to who "they are" then the kids whose roles have yet to be determined. Perhaps they come back as teenagers or adutls due to "funky time".

I keep thinking back to the scene where John Locke got shot by Ben and was kicked into the pit with all the Dharma bodies. Walt appeared to John and told him to get up because his worked wasn't done yet.

As crazy as this sounds, I would love it if Walt returned to the island (perhaps with Desmond because we all know the island isn't done with him yet) and uses his magic powers to bring the "real" John Locke back from the dead . . . again.

"Who lies in the shadow of the statue?" . . . "he who will save us all . . . " Well, Locke is now one with the island, buried literally in the shadow of the statue . . . perhaps he needs another Walt push to get him going?

The kids are special. "Daddy issues" have been a major theme that needs to be rectified. Perhaps the circle stops with this generation. Perhaps that is the "happy" ending (insert joke here) . . . families helping families.

falcon said...

I think Red Khmer may have nailed it with this comment about "setting up an end scene where Jack and Locke sit on the beach in the places of Jacob and Anti-Jacob from "The Incident," and the whole cycle starts again."

Also, if anyone else on the board also watches Nip/Tuck, I'm sure hoping that we will be dazzled by the rest of Season 6 of Lost, unlike the final season of N/T which has sure been a fizzle IMHO.

mark said...

brian, you mentioned in your post that kate's name was written on the lighthouse wheel, even though it's conspicuously missing from the cave.

do you have a screenshot of this? i slowly looked through the different close ups of the wheel and couldn't see her name.

Caro said...

Hi!

I haven't read everything yet, but a phrase in the beginning of your post reminded me of something...
Of a book I read... Ok, a cheesy novel, really.
It's called Summerhouse by Jude Deveraux.
Basically, the characters go to a wizard of sorts, who show them what their lives could've been like had they a made different choice years ago.
After their vision ends, they have to choose.. do they want to go with their actual lives, or choose the life they saw in their vision.
I think 2 chose to leave it as is, and one went with the life in her vision.

Anyway... maybe they will get to choose?

Boston Jon said...

Mark,

Kate's number is 51.

Red Khmer said...

To give credit where it's due, the recapper Vozzek69 on the Dark UFO Lost site suggested the image of Jacob/Anti- on the beach but replaced by two of the 815'ers. While the idea of a full circle had been in my head for a while, that particular image comes from him.

I'd almost put money on the ending of Lost being some representation of one cycle ending and another beginning.

Red Khmer said...

stormko:

good points about Adam & Eve.
The time of their deaths is another tricky element. They're supposed to have died in the '40s or '50s, if Season 1 is to be believed.

I do have a feeling they won't be major characters though. I'll throw out another option: Charlie and Claire? Maybe Charlie's body washes up at some point and they put him and "evil" Claire together.

Also, while Darlton said we'd see Vincent again, we did see him, in last year's finale. Pretty sure that's it for him.

Boston Jon said...

IF LOST ends with either Locke and Jack on the beach having a similar scene that Anti Jacob/ Jacob did . . . or some sort of circle closing metaphoic scene then Stephen King should sue for stealing the Dark Tower ending. That would be horrible in my opinion.

stormko said...

Red Khmer:

I think at the last Comic Con, Darlton said we'd see Vincent again. And that a few months after last year's finale. Unless I'm getting my Cons mixed up, I think someone asked about that, asking if the finale was it for Vincent.

But who knows, maybe it will be in the flash-forward. I guess that would seem obvious. But that would suggest Michael and/or Walt showing up in the show.

Rob Rose said...

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!!

WAIT A MINUTE!!!

HOW THE HELL IS BEN A TEACHER?????

I know.. I know.. This is almost two weeks old, but I just completely realized something that simply has NOT been realized by anyone I've seen right now... but follow me...

IF The Jughead exploding in 1977 was what sunk the island.. most likely killing everyone on the island.. HOW THE HELL IS BEN ALIVE in 2004A?

HE WAS ON THE ISLAND AS A BOY IN 1977 There's no changing that... he hadn't yet been returned to DHARMA when the Juliet turned the screen white... he HAS ALWAYS Been a former member of the DHARMA Intiative.. and ALWAYS Been shot by Sayid... and ALWAYS saved at the temple...

Rusty said...

Everyone is talking about Jack's appendectomy...but the appendix is on the right side; that scar is on Jack's left side. That scar is from Kate stitching him up way back in season 1.

Brian said...

Rusty - sorry, but it's not. The scar that Kate stitched up was on Jack's side / back - not on his front:

http://gallery.lost-
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Dave Harty said...

Any thoughts on why Jack's name seems to be written at a different time, in a different hand, than the other names?

Also, by using the last name, it doesn't discount his father or his son for that matter.

Mrs Z said...

Huh, that's a good point about Ben, Rob Rose. Most things that are different we just attribute to the island being under water (so Desmond never crashed on it, etc.) But Ben WAS there. Did they all escape in a sub or something (not likely)? Or are we supposed to just assume that EVERYTHING is different in this timeline (and it wasn't Jughead that caused the change)? Hmm. (P.S. I think this is my first post here, though I've been reading for years and I post other places. So hi everyone!)

Mom said...

Did anyone else notice that Jack's mom talked to Jack about how David was upset at the "funeral" and that Jack didn't seem to know about it? What funeral? They haven't found his dad's body yet. I didn't think they had had Christian's funeral yet.

jack said...

hey Rob....have you or anyone considered that Ben may have traveled to '04 and somehow position himself as a teacher to manipulate Locke? the same can be said for Dogen...maybe he traveled to '04 somehow to hook up, connect with and manipuate Jack? It was made clear by Dalton that Ben's (and presumably Dogen's) presence in the alternate reality/flash sideways timeline is significant. Maybe this is what is going on here???

Red Khmer said...

Couple things...

To Mom: Christian Shepard's funeral was scheduled for the day Jack arrived at LAX. In the season premiere we hear Jack talking on the phone to his mom about it. I'm assuming they went through with the funeral w/o the body. Perhaps they didn't wait for Jack to return from the airport. They seemed pretty eager to get it over with (which was also the case in the original timeline).

As for Ben The Schoolteacher... hmm, I'm just not sure on this one. I mean, considering that we're taking it on faith that Jack, Kate, Sawyer, et al. - the people who were standing right above a hydrogen bomb when it exploded - survived somehow, why is it crazy to think that Ben, who was not right on top of a nuclear device, survived?

Most likely (and still wildly implausible) is the '77 Jughead explosion, on top of the apex of the Island's special electromagnetic properties, combined with the mystical Island qualities - all this ripped the space-time continuum, changing EVERYTHING, and who was or wasn't on the Island at what time is now irrelevant.

wgh said...

Brian, the solution for Sawyer is simple... he finds Juliet in the off-island altverse and they live happily ever after. This is what she was trying to tell him before dying!

hi cbones1979 said...

Hey B,

Have you touched on the

What and Why of the island?

What do you think it is and Why must it remain hidden/protected

robpatt said...

Here's a theory... maybe there isn't going to be a happy ending to lost. Maybe its the writers making us "eat our vegetables" and realize that life doesn't always work out. They are like the Nihilists in the Big Lebowsky.

My head is spinning. I like that the writers equated the lost experience to being spun around, disoriented, and punched in the face. At least they are aware of what they are doing.

In all reality, im excited to see this play out. I don't know of another show that has treated the audience like adults and letting us have to put on our thinking caps and engage wit hthe show instead of just watching it unfold. Ironic that they are now telling us to watch it unfold at its seeming climax.

Tim Bensman said...

Another random thought -- Why would an island sink if a bomb went off?

stormko said...

Another random thought -- Why would an island sink if a bomb went off?

Good question.

On top of that, how long would it take to sink? It's not like the island is just going to go poof!—underwater. So what happened to those people who might have been able to escape?

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