tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post7394980366958870758..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "Because You Left" and "The Lie" Two-For-One Analysis!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-15733931513592405302009-02-03T11:01:00.000-05:002009-02-03T11:01:00.000-05:00Remember the episode with Desmond at the Monastery...Remember the episode with Desmond at the Monastery? duh, of course you do. The 'head monk' he was always being counseled by there had a picture on his desk of himself with Eloise. I've been waiting for that to mean something, and this may be happening sooner than later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-70873994615862487462009-01-28T16:23:00.000-05:002009-01-28T16:23:00.000-05:00with Tom ?? i think you want talk about the piture...with Tom ?? i think you want talk about the piture with the monk.. not Tom...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-87228927389765439442009-01-28T07:42:00.000-05:002009-01-28T07:42:00.000-05:00The first time we saw Mrs Hawkings, there was a pi...The first time we saw Mrs Hawkings, there was a picture of her on her desk with Tom (you know - he's one of The Others - that one with the fake beard)... I wondered when we'd be seeing her againi heart joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01747474945742615005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-65292084561455402592009-01-27T19:34:00.000-05:002009-01-27T19:34:00.000-05:00Great discussion, everyone.I just wanted to get on...Great discussion, everyone.<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to get on my soapbox and say that I'm going to be pretty upset if Walt is not factored into things from here on out. His weird random appearances to the Lost dwellers earlier on in the series has not been explained, to my knowledge, and it would be pretty weak to just let that hang. <BR/><BR/>It feels like the show only has a few more episodes left (not so, of course...it just feels that way), and there are so many weird things left up in the air that still need to be explained (ie. Walt, the numbers, etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-32525003560848986352009-01-27T18:29:00.000-05:002009-01-27T18:29:00.000-05:00Lisa, those are really good thoughts. However, for...Lisa, those are really good thoughts. However, for #2, constellations are generally stable over millenia, so that wouldn't be true. However, Faraday could determine the year by examining the relative positions of the planets, for example. As for Miles, I figured that it was killed by the army-like people and the fact that it was taken tipped them off to 'enemies' in the area.<BR/><BR/>Heliopath, Abbadon is the man who selected the specialist team led by Nadia: Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank. We don't know exactly what Abbadon knows or what his relation is to Widmore or the island. Widmore was trying to stop Ben from using the Orchid by providing Keamy with the Secondary Protocol.<BR/><BR/>We should also remember the reference to rules when Ben said that Widmore "changed the rules".<BR/><BR/>ColumEx - re: tape formats. Not necessarily, though it could indicate when the particular station was completed and started.<BR/><BR/>Re: Desmond saving Charlie from dying. Charlie was the only person who could have broken the code on the radio jammer of the Looking Glass, which is probably a big part of the reason why they were finally able to get off the island. If Charlie hadn't broken the jamming, they would never have left and the problems wouldn't have begun. Desmond changed the future in a big way--the question is, was it for the better or for the worse? That said, i don't think these necessarily represented actual alternative strings, just the direction the string will take if nothing changes--and nothing would without the knowledge of what would happen.<BR/><BR/>Hurley got his lottery numbers from another guy in the mental hospital, so time travel doesn't explain how Hurley got the numbers.<BR/><BR/>As far as why Cindy doesn't seem to be jumping, was she actually in the camp with Locke and the other Others? Remember a while ago that Ben sent many of them to the Temple--maybe that has protected some of them from the effects of the shifting. Cindy though could have been an Other plant on the plane, though that doesn't explain the kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-12581552614568211622009-01-27T15:36:00.000-05:002009-01-27T15:36:00.000-05:00A see a glaring inconsistency in this episode. Aft...A see a glaring inconsistency in this episode. After the wheel was turned and Locke was all alone, why did Juliet not disappear like the Others/Richard? She is one of them!<BR/><BR/>For those that say she was brought to the island, then why did people like Cindy (flight attendant who joined the Others), and Zac/Emma (captured kids) not stay with LockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-53922623246099252382009-01-27T12:44:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:44:00.000-05:00imagine they were widmore's team... And ALEX was C...imagine they were widmore's team... And ALEX was Cfl and Widmore's child... Would be Ironic considering ben is going to kill his daughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-8581724051621893042009-01-27T12:26:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:26:00.000-05:00Re the soldiers who wanted to cut off hands. When ...Re the soldiers who wanted to cut off hands. When I didn't see Dharma logos on them my first thought was that they were part of CFL's team.<BR/><BR/>Remember that a deleted part of the script was that her team was there "to investigate aspects of time". They might have been Widmore's team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-44922218438279212522009-01-27T12:16:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:16:00.000-05:00Rob Rose,I didn't read your message before, but yo...Rob Rose,<BR/><BR/>I didn't read your message before, but you and I are of the same thought. <BR/><BR/>Brian, Alpert didn't tell him before because to tell him would inflence Locke to try to 'change' the past. He had to let it happen. He did reveal that he had to die. <BR/><BR/>However, I do agree that there are some holes. I'm thinking back to season 3 when Alpert went over Bens head to give him those documents. But to argue, it could be that BEN was trying to change the future, and Alpert wanted to let things flow their proper course.<BR/><BR/>Also, as for Desmond, I kind of see now that it's possible that Desmond may not have seen charlie dying, but rather himself saving him. They didn't say that, but it's possible.<BR/><BR/>Ben: I do agree with the 12 monkees thing. I've said that myself in instant reactions. Damon and Carlton have also said that 12 monkees was the model for doing time travel right(I believe this was in a podcast a long while back, they also blasted Heroes time travel pretty harshly)<BR/><BR/>Some toher notes: Could it be that Michaels purpose was ALWAYS to die on the freighter.. and coule it be that Walt is supposed to be off the island. It's the oceanic 6 and Desmond that need to go back.<BR/><BR/>As for Charlotte. I know it's suggested that she may have been born on the island. The question is, what are the rules for jumping vs not jumping. The others don't jump.. apparently Dharma or the Soldiers don't either. What are the rules for who jumps and who doesn't? Example, say Faraday is with Candle, as in the first scene, Lets say they jumped to the future. Would Candle and the Dharma workers go to? Why didn't demsond go too when he flashed.. because he's in the past? Could you go back to the past, hold Candles arm, and flash to the future with him? they say what you're holding goes with you. <BR/><BR/>That's enough, my brain is about to explode!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-78242184357065717842009-01-27T11:55:00.000-05:002009-01-27T11:55:00.000-05:00An argument for all this happening in the 'main' t...An argument for all this happening in the 'main' timeline. Adam and Eve in the caves early in season 1. It's always been suggested that this could be someone like Jack and Kate. We do not KNOW that this isnt some ancient culture burial, however, it IS feasible that this time skip IS part of the main timeline...<BR/>If I can wrap my brain around it...... that would mean that faraday was supposed to come back and be in the dharma suit. It would mean that Locke was SUPPOSED to get shot by ethan, and that ethan had already encoutnered Locke, and possible other losties prior to the actual crash. It could mean that many so called 'changed' may not be changes, but part of the main stream.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-67317667742355754072009-01-27T11:49:00.000-05:002009-01-27T11:49:00.000-05:00Did Desmond and Charlie change the future by not a...Did Desmond and Charlie change the future by not allowing Charlie to drown in the surf or get struck by lightning?<BR/><BR/>The theory presented then was that Charlie was going to die. But the original method (lightning) was avoided and while he evntually died, he played a part in the ultimate rescue.<BR/><BR/>Desmond's flashes must have been some sort of time travel, or memories of time travel. If that is the case, each different opportunity for Charlie to die actually did represent a different string (or street) because he could not have died more than once.<BR/><BR/>If Farady is right, and you can't change the past or the future, why are people as smart and connected as Mrs. Hawking, Ben, Richard and Daniel trying to?<BR/><BR/>And what is the value of time travel if you cannot affect the future? Aside from a really cool theme park (a la Jurassic Park), nothing can be gained if nothing can change.<BR/><BR/>But...the one thing almost every time travel movie or discussion includes is lottery numbers - HURLEY!<BR/><BR/>Maybe each of the survivors somehow either intentionally or unintentionally used their subconscious memories (experiences) to alter the future and they all need to get back to the same place to allow the universe to course correct.<BR/><BR/>For example, Hurley's experience with the hatch numbers makes him pick those numbers at "random" (time travel allows him to do this before the crash). His lottery win results in all sorts of bad luck - mostly because he has alterd the future. Maybe Hurley didn't even intend to pick those numbers and change the future, it was an unintended or unexpected consequence of time travel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-41424574284711316712009-01-27T11:40:00.000-05:002009-01-27T11:40:00.000-05:00hey Lisa....for whatever it may or may not prove t...hey Lisa....for whatever it may or may not prove to be worth, great work on your part in figuring this stuff out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-64417684619899772702009-01-27T11:36:00.000-05:002009-01-27T11:36:00.000-05:00Firstly, Helipath's point....be reminded that the ...Firstly, Helipath's point....be reminded that the freighter crew also included Michael. Nobody in Whitmores camp appeared to know that Michael was a mole for Ben. So...let's not give Whitmore to much credit for his due diligence in selecting this gang. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, does anyone know what Ben took from the vent duct in the hotel room he and Jack were in? He later gave it to either Mrs. Hawkins or to the meat counter lady. Either way, it appeared to have real significance. <BR/><BR/>Brian?? Anybody?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-53685300927298613552009-01-26T23:41:00.000-05:002009-01-26T23:41:00.000-05:00Once again.. I'm drawn here to explain... really d...Once again.. I'm drawn here to explain... really don't know why...<BR/><BR/>Think of the World on the island as a Novel, a BOOK. Past, Present and Future is all relative to how far into the book you have read.<BR/><BR/>Now the thing is that The Survivors on the Island, are reading this book. But instead of reading the book straight through, they are simply opening the book to any page and reading the page and then skipping to another page.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now, because they're IN this world, you'd have to also think about them as the characters IN the book, IN THAT NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU READ THE BOOK, NO MATTER HOW YOU READ IT, THE EVENTS WILL NEVER AND HAVE NEVER CHANGED.<BR/><BR/>If on page 23 Locke shows up and gets shot by Ethan this is just the way it was written, It doesnt matter that the plane doesnt crash until page 42...because when you get to page 108 you will see how he disapears and at the point arrives THEN arrives at page 23.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-40203531474430928742009-01-26T23:34:00.000-05:002009-01-26T23:34:00.000-05:00(Long time reader; first time commentor)Is it poss...(Long time reader; first time commentor)<BR/><BR/>Is it possible that the whispers we have heard in prior seasons are "time travel survivors" and not the Others as assumed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-19241738801115197532009-01-26T23:27:00.000-05:002009-01-26T23:27:00.000-05:00Has anyone else noticed that the training videos, ...Has anyone else noticed that the training videos, by the way, are all stored on different mediums? Is it possible that there was skipping going on while those were being recorded? How else would we explain that one was on VHS, one was on BETA and one was on a film strip?B. Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18047513102779284072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-53621212206320167762009-01-26T23:20:00.000-05:002009-01-26T23:20:00.000-05:00Alpert knows where John is going to skip next beca...Alpert knows where John is going to skip next because John told him... in a future skip. He told Locke that HE told him where he was. So Locke apparently did make a change, by telling Alpert to come look for him to help his wound?<BR/><BR/>Arrghh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-12087591667616539012009-01-26T22:59:00.000-05:002009-01-26T22:59:00.000-05:00sorry to tripple comment. about the miles boar thi...sorry to tripple comment. about the miles boar thing maybe it was a simple case of him seeing a boar that had just died with his special abilities and finding where it's body layheliopathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16857671513382747597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-22842048918469207352009-01-26T22:54:00.000-05:002009-01-26T22:54:00.000-05:00anonymous at 4:20 raises a really good point. Widm...anonymous at 4:20 raises a really good point. Widmore handpicked these people to go on the freighter back to the island. why?<BR/>he, a man of his power and access, must know all of their histories and their "connection" to the island. <BR/>it would seem weird then if Faraday is an island original aka "alpert and by relation ben's team" to send him.<BR/><BR/>seems a bit odd. unless widmore is using them to just find the island again. he must have known the time travel could be activated. <BR/><BR/>i guess we have to wait and see wat widmore is really after...heliopathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16857671513382747597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56710740019135361202009-01-26T21:01:00.000-05:002009-01-26T21:01:00.000-05:00Been reading the blog for a while, but never comme...Been reading the blog for a while, but never commented. Read this post and the comments 3 times over, and my head is still spinning - I also need an aspirin...or two. Best idea for me is to go through the blog making notes on my theories as I go along so as not to pass out by the end of it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56572884322666200282009-01-26T19:53:00.000-05:002009-01-26T19:53:00.000-05:00Like the anonymous person that commented, I need a...Like the anonymous person that commented, I need an aspirin! lol<BR/><BR/>Rob Rose, I think you're definitely on to something with your theory.<BR/><BR/>Lisa, great stuff too.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-81474272330888469482009-01-26T18:21:00.000-05:002009-01-26T18:21:00.000-05:00Ok, I have a couple thoughts/theories that I just ...Ok, I have a couple thoughts/theories that I just have to throw out there. They're actually thoughts that I had when I first started watching Lost during season 3, but only now do they make sense.<BR/><BR/>1. One of my early thoughts was that the numbers somehow were related to the location of the island. However, plugging them in as latitude and longitude didn't work, so I set that aside. <BR/>Today I was looking at a screencap of Ms. Faraday's pendulum map from "The Lie," and I was able to make out that the name of one of the nearby island was Kiritimati (Christmas Island). Long story short, after looking it up on Google Earth, I figured out that if you plug in the numbers as "4°8'15"N, 162°3'42"W", you get what looks to be the exact location where the pendulum is marking. (The screencap I'm referring to can be found at http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/07b556e113eaaaf3822fcb4ff3e41434 .)<BR/>Not sure if this means anything, but I just wanted to throw it out there.<BR/><BR/>2. Another thing I noticed early on with Lost was that the names/symbols of the DHARMA stations all seemed to coincide with constellations. I again thought maybe this would have to do with where the island was located, but it didn't help me. Now I'm wondering if it has to do with <I>when </I> the island is located. I'm wondering if that device Faraday has is used to somehow chart the positions of constellations. Maybe the ones the stations are named after are the ones that are important to figuring out what time the island is in. Again, it's just a theory, but I thought I'd throw it out there.<BR/><BR/>Also, I've become convinced that Miles has to know something about what's going on. He claims that the boar he finds just "died in the jungle" and he found it and that it's only been dead three hours. Anyone else think someone else, maybe Miles himself, put that boar in the jungle for him, knowing he would be there at that time, and that he knew it would be there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-53386063045526904362009-01-26T16:21:00.000-05:002009-01-26T16:21:00.000-05:00What if Dan Faraday turns out to be an island orig...What if Dan Faraday turns out to be an island original all along like Richard Alpert. He could be the the island originals "mole" inside Dharma and is sent back to civilization to learn about the Donkey wheel so the island originals can harness the power to protect themselves from Dharma and Widmore. Faraday and Alpert seem to be the only ones who know what is going on. Not sure if this is possible but maybe that is why he was in the Orchid with Dr. Candle at the beginning of the season and looked like he hasn't aged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-13868830902762908102009-01-26T16:20:00.000-05:002009-01-26T16:20:00.000-05:00Didn't it seem that Juliet is more hip to the time...Didn't it seem that Juliet is more hip to the time travel thing than she is leading on? <BR/><BR/>Also, why or how did Whitmore indirectly retain Faraday to travel to the island if Faraday's interests are inconsistent with his own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37049420374143580932009-01-26T14:19:00.000-05:002009-01-26T14:19:00.000-05:00Ben turned the wheel "improperly" on purpose?? Hol...Ben turned the wheel "improperly" on purpose?? Holy crap does that make sense based on one single line of dialogue,<BR/>"How many times do I have to tell you, John. I always have a plan."<BR/><BR/>I still think that we still have almost zero clue as to just how powerful Ben is and how much he knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com