tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post5402076450217755627..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "Jughead" Analysis!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-74720728956592673702009-02-07T08:40:00.000-05:002009-02-07T08:40:00.000-05:00Well, I'm a week or so behind, but thought I'd add...Well, I'm a week or so behind, but thought I'd add one small point here. I think the reason Richard's crew chopped of a hand from new arrivals to the island (those who stumbled across it with no knowledge of what it was) was to convince them to join his group and accept him as their leader. When the hand grows back, I think most folks would do just about anything Richard asked of them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-61272825415061256292009-02-03T23:57:00.000-05:002009-02-03T23:57:00.000-05:00Had a theory to throw out - and Brian, you touched...Had a theory to throw out - and Brian, you touched on it a little bit: What if there is a mind, body and spirit fr the island? Jacob is obviously the mind, Alpert is the Body (which you mentioned as well, Brian), and the Smoke Monster is the Island's Spirit, protecting itself from outsiders.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought - Love this week's analysis!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602175226926007593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-46815205499407251282009-02-03T11:27:00.000-05:002009-02-03T11:27:00.000-05:00Is is just a coincidence that Widmore is loaded of...Is is just a coincidence that Widmore is loaded off the island. Rich & powerful, and connected as well as Ben - master of karate with his stick - multiple passports and also loaded as Miles indicated. Both claiming ownership of the island, both being very well off in the real world. Did the island make them rich? I dont know. hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-44160888958087929142009-02-02T17:50:00.000-05:002009-02-02T17:50:00.000-05:00Thanks Brian, my comments:- The Lost writers (in t...Thanks Brian, my comments:<BR/>- The Lost writers (in the somewhat obscure way that they do give us ‘answers) have told us that the Island has moved in space more than once by way of the Mrs Hawking Pendulum map with the various star markings on it.<BR/>- The discussion about Skipping Survivors encountering themselves is great as I’ve always thought this is what was going on especially when we’d see Locke being so wise and cool one minute (eg encounter with Ben in Man from Tallahassee) then well just a bit dumb the next (eg encounter with Ben at start of Eggtown).<BR/>- Think what proved Locke was the leader was when he crashed on the island and was healed – remember Richard saying how impressed they all were about that and that he was therefore very special.<BR/>- Brian I believe you’re still right that Widmore has financial interests in the island in that he saw the island’s external potential and went off island to start Dharma but then Ben came along later and purged Dharma (‘you took away what was mine’). Reminder Widmore knew about Orchid, Tempest – Dharma built facilities – therefore he is Dharma.<BR/>- Juliet is just a cool girl – she knows things but not everything. She seemed just as shocked as Sawyer about the time skipping in the first episode.<BR/>- Anybody else annoyed that Charlotte is so lame in this season –what’s happened to the gutsy gal she was?<BR/>- Question do you think O6 need to be there to stop Jughead going off – hence the urgency and the 70 hour deadline business?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-30978674864532158912009-02-02T16:04:00.000-05:002009-02-02T16:04:00.000-05:00Is there a chance that the "flashbacks" in the ear...Is there a chance that the "flashbacks" in the earlier seasons were actually time skipping? I know they were always labeled as flashbacks, but that might explain how Desmond just happened to walk by Charlie on the streets of London (?) in an earlier flashback.<BR/><BR/>I also think there is a distinction between "time skipping" and "time travel". It seems to me that the only people "skipping" are the few crash survivors (are Locke and Sawyer the only ones left?), the 3 from the freightor and Juliett. The Oceanic 6 do not appear to be skipping back in the real world and those "island originals/Others" also appear to be stuck in time - including Richard.<BR/><BR/>These "skips" seem to be random in their timing, length and landing point (if it is not random, then who or how are they controlled?).<BR/><BR/>But there also seems to be "time travel", which I would call an intentional trip to a specific place in time and to a geographical location. As far as I can tell, Richard is the only one who has the ability or power to control his trips, as evidenced by his trips to see Locke in his youth. Obviously in 1954, he has no idea that he will eventually acquire this power.<BR/><BR/>Back to the skipping. The fact that it affects certain people and not all people indicates there must be a fundimental difference between Widmore and Juliett, Miles and Sawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1608270809242780762009-02-02T15:11:00.000-05:002009-02-02T15:11:00.000-05:00anonymous 2:13...are you imlpying that the island ...anonymous 2:13...<BR/><BR/>are you imlpying that the island is in fact "Neverland" and maybe the others are "lostboys/lostgirls"??? <BR/><BR/>Is Jacob "Peter Pan"???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-61430206458141552602009-02-02T14:13:00.000-05:002009-02-02T14:13:00.000-05:00Found the following on a blog on the WWW. It made ...Found the following on a blog on the WWW. It made me think of how the Others are not really the Others but rather they are (as Juliet stated) The Enlightened.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"A Prayer for the Future<BR/> I want to live forever. Forever. I want to smile at pretty girls at a picnic in the country on a hot summer day. I want to sip cappuccino while watching the sunset in Nice. I want to swim in a black sea with the gibbous moon overhead and bottomless depths below. I want to do these things again. And again. And again. I am not alone. You out there. I need to tell you something. You are going to die. So am I. But...you can live forever. Follow me and I will tell you how. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Forget the myths of ages past. Forget the Volcano god called Jahweh. Forget Isis who is Mary. And Hercules the son of god and his miracles who rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Forget the sincere hopes of tribal horsemen 6000 years dead. We will talk with them one day and they will thank us for abandoning their false gods. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Put aside the imprint of the ages and quickly you will see that the life eternal is not going to be found in the folk tales of dead civilizations. The victors write the history. The victors also write the religion and I want no part of a religion written by Constantine the ‘great’ or Innocent III whose general Simon de Montfort coined that great phrase “Kill them all, god will know his own”. Yet long after we have outgrown Santa and Zeus and Jesus, life eternal will still await.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Here is but one possibility. One possibility in a sea of hope. But it rests on many, many ‘ifs’. If we don’t let religion kill science. If we get off the planet before it is smashed by a meteor or flash fried by a gamma ray burst or decimated by our own foolish actions. If we inspire imagination and creativity. If we can restrain our violent nature. IF IF IF IF. Then we shall live. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>And now I am going to talk about stones. And ponds. Are you confused yet? Shhhh, don’t interrupt you’ll make me lose my flow. When you drop a stone in a pond it creates a ripple. If you throw another stone the ripples meet and mix. The overlapping ripples create interference patterns. And the amazing thing about these patterns is that they contain all the information of their origin. If you look carefully at the pattern you can unwind time. You can read the past. By looking at the interference pattern you can find out exactly where those stones fell, how big they were, how fast they fell. All the information you can imagine. The amazing thing is: waves remember. Now think on this. We are all composed of quantum particles. Quarks and Electrons. Just Bosons and Leptons. Each of which can be conceived as a wave. And these waves are constantly mixing and interacting and interfering with each other and everything else. And it is possible that the waves remember. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Today we can clone a sheep. We can take a cell and produce an exact genetic copy of a living being. Cloning is not science fiction it is science fact. Today we believe that there is a zero point field. A pond for our living stones. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>A thousand years from now. We may finally be able to read that field. And in it will be you and me. Everything we ever did. Everything we ever thought. Every blemish and zit and memory. A soul for the scientist. A thousand years from now our children’s children will be able to read our DNA from the field and clone it anew. They will be able to replicate the pattern of our consciousness, and you and I will awake. Why you ask? Because everyone who ever lived has dreamed of life eternal. Because everyone is fighting the same war. We are comrades in arms scattered over a million years of evolution. And one day. We will win. On that V-day we shall be reborn. To smile at pretty girls on hot summer days. And swim in dark waters. And see sights unknown to all for now. I am but a peasant in this war. And perhaps we won’t win with the pond. Or the ripple. But we will win. The future is greater than we can imagine. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>And all we have to do is pray. Pray that we can learn to believe in the potential of the human mind. Pray that we can abandon the beliefs that will kill all tomorrows. Pray that we will come to understand that life eternal awaits us all...but that it will not be given to us. We will have to earn it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-71926001414590480732009-02-02T12:29:00.000-05:002009-02-02T12:29:00.000-05:00> characters would suddenly have memories of th...> characters would suddenly have memories of their interaction with our Skipping Survivors in the past -<BR/><BR/>Seems like this is exactly what happened to Desmond - he wakes up on the boat and suddenly has a memory of Faraday talking to him in the hatch.<BR/><BR/>> There aren't two timelines, one where Locke shows up and talks to Alpert in 1954 and one where he doesn’t.<BR/><BR/>But aren't there two Desmond timelines - one where Faraday talks to him and one where he doesn't?bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742074797155358401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-81792225173127301242009-02-02T12:14:00.000-05:002009-02-02T12:14:00.000-05:00I don't see a time loop. I see Brians logic, but ...I don't see a time loop. I see Brians logic, but it's not logic at all. But this is the 12 monkees time example again.<BR/><BR/>The string has a loop in it, but time continues. Man goes back to save the world but it was actually his going back that caused the events that led to him going back to save it.<BR/><BR/>This has always been my time theory, that any time travel that happened would have had to be part of the normal flow of time. <BR/><BR/>Point being, Locke goes back and influences his future, which inevitably sends him back in time. But the loop is closed at this point. Locke isn't 'stuck' in a loop, he's moving forward. <BR/><BR/>He's moving forward, he doesn't need to die to get out of it. He's still going forward, when the island stops skipping, his timeline or 'string' will continue from that point on. Apparently, that is somehow 2007/2008 and being dead. <BR/><BR/>I have to say I'm very pleased at where they're going with this. Hero's abused it. That show could be the worst use of time travel logic wise as any, and believe me, there are a lot of bad time travel stories out there.<BR/><BR/>At least Back to the Future was comical, and Dr Who explains it's insantity with multiple strings or 'alternate' timelines and parallel universes. Terminators logic was always bad as well. The classic "i'm coming back to save the world" but if you save the world you would never have had to come back to save it. Damon and Charlton have stated these scenarios many many times as what they're NOT going to do. And to run things into the ground, they've also mentioned 12 monkees as a model of how it's done right.<BR/>I was very worries with the desmond skipping, but I think he's unique.. the rules don't apply to him.<BR/><BR/>I'm hanging on and enjoying the ride!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-66940083945779418892009-02-02T11:08:00.000-05:002009-02-02T11:08:00.000-05:00Jason: re: the Hatch. That doesn't really explain ...Jason: re: the Hatch. That doesn't really explain the electromagnetism going haywire if the numbers weren't entered. Also, the bomb wasn't leaking radioactive chemicals, it was leaking radioactivity. And again, why would they haul an unstable nuclear bomb all the way over close to the beach? Plus, the Swan hatch was built by Dharma, not by the Others... what reason would Dharma have to either know about the bomb explicitly or to build a station to control it somehow? It just makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1466973100586868312009-02-02T08:12:00.000-05:002009-02-02T08:12:00.000-05:00as for Juliet, I hope the writters elaborate on he...as for Juliet, I hope the writters elaborate on her lack of concern demenor. She is hip to the entire issue of time travel reflected by her knowing about Albert and doesn't seem concerned about the time skipping. Also, be reminded how she stood down Smokey in previous season!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-47556457126323297202009-02-02T02:25:00.000-05:002009-02-02T02:25:00.000-05:00The thing with the four-toed statue is that it loo...The thing with the four-toed statue is that it looks like the four toes are normal--the big toe looks as big as it should, and the other side looks flush. In other words, it doesn't look like any toes are missing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-3549373407897969272009-02-02T01:11:00.000-05:002009-02-02T01:11:00.000-05:00Anon at 11:37 pm... the show has said or implied m...Anon at 11:37 pm... the show has said or implied many times that Desmond is "different" in regards to time-traveling abilities. I'm not 100% what is means, but as Faraday put it "he doesn't follow the rules"Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10421731659175151589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-24669044741787145722009-02-02T01:10:00.000-05:002009-02-02T01:10:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10421731659175151589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-45340888063679612972009-02-01T23:37:00.000-05:002009-02-01T23:37:00.000-05:00Question about the time loop theory:When skipping-...Question about the time loop theory:<BR/>When skipping-Faraday visited past-Desmond in the hatch at the back door, didn't that memory get implanted into Desmond's head at that exact moment? And that's why Desmond just "remembered" it in his "dream" when he woke up next to Penny? If this is the case, wouldn't that mean that 2004 Alpert suddenly had the "memory" of Locke telling him about him becoming the Leader, and 1956 Alpert wouldn't know about it?<BR/><BR/>Did any of that make sense? Basically, did Desmond's memory of Faraday get implanted in 04, when Faraday actually skipped back and told him, or did he just forget that Faraday ever visited him in 01until he "dreamed" it in the first episode this season?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-15413732490667672682009-02-01T22:02:00.000-05:002009-02-01T22:02:00.000-05:00Could it be that locke has to die to break the tim...Could it be that locke has to die to break the time loop?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-72830366338696571162009-02-01T21:40:00.000-05:002009-02-01T21:40:00.000-05:00Very Thorough!One thing I thought of while reading...Very Thorough!<BR/><BR/>One thing I thought of while reading this is.. and it's not very logical.. but I have to mention it. Could John have met his future self in season 1? At least to get a message of come sort? Even if it was carried by another messenger(like smoke monster)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-58103883510516162022009-02-01T21:06:00.000-05:002009-02-01T21:06:00.000-05:00Re Victor's question of why Widmore was called Jon...Re Victor's question of why Widmore was called Jones...<BR/><BR/>Just as the Others were living in the tents of the American soldiers, they were probably also using their equipment and clothing - thus Widmore happened to wear the uniform of a soldier named Jones - and as the viewer we assumed that was his name. It was a very clever Lost diversion of springing the surprise of who he really was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-5867155293619635372009-02-01T20:21:00.000-05:002009-02-01T20:21:00.000-05:00NEXT EPISODE IS WITH A YOUNG FRENCHWOMAN :D:D ROUS...NEXT EPISODE IS WITH A YOUNG FRENCHWOMAN :D:D ROUSSEAUUUUU :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-85094371616193743112009-02-01T17:02:00.000-05:002009-02-01T17:02:00.000-05:00Nice work Brian, you almost take the fun out of wa...Nice work Brian, you almost take the fun out of watching the show by predicting everything that is going to happen. almost. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, i think the Jughead is definitely buried in Desmond's hatch. Think about it:<BR/><BR/>-there is a 10 foot thick concrete wall protecting 'something'<BR/>-the hatch says 'quarantine' on it<BR/>-they have to wear chemical suits to walk around the area<BR/><BR/>As Faraday said, the bomb is leaking radioactive chemicals. If it were buried, it would still be leaking those chemicals and adding pressure to the area that was containing it. Desmond's job in the hatch was to slowly vent those chemicals to prevent them from creating too much pressure behind the concrete wall. <BR/><BR/>I'm still not sure exactly what turning the failsafe key did though. But if the bomb were to detonate, it would emit an electromagnetic pulse that would have been detected by Penny's surveylance station. If the bomb were buried deep enough, i'd imagine its detonation wouldn't cause too much damage. After all, subterranean testing of nuclear weapons is the only method currently allowed because it is the safest. I did a little research on Wikipedia (which i know is never 100% accurate), but it says that if the bomb is buried at a sufficient depth, it wouldn't create much more than a small crater when detonated, and it wouldn't release any radioactive chemicals above ground.<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_testing<BR/><BR/>Well those are my thoughts, let me know what you think.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13407621078790773238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-80894508404026387922009-02-01T14:59:00.000-05:002009-02-01T14:59:00.000-05:00Great thoughts, as always, Brian. You sparked thi...Great thoughts, as always, Brian. You sparked this one in me. I’d love to hear what you think about it.<BR/><BR/>What if the reason it is so important for the entire Oceanic 6 to return to the island is that they must change what happened when they left the island. They were “never supposed to leave.” What if them returning is the universe’s way of “course correcting,” and they have to go back in time and change it so that they don’t leave? Then once that correction occurs, time quits jumping because they fixed what went wrong.Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04263326838461415835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-67663683449696172562009-02-01T12:51:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:51:00.000-05:00Well, about the numbers:I think it is all revealed...Well, about the numbers:<BR/><BR/>I think it is all revealed after season 2, in the Lost Experience. They are the CONSTANTs in "the valenzetti equation" that is predicting the remaining time of men-existance and they are only related to Dharma, not directly to the island.<BR/><BR/>but since they are constants in an equation, and also time travellers have to have a "constant", should there be a correlation? I don't know.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Great work Brian!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904826019088668597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-92131020670721673532009-02-01T12:32:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:32:00.000-05:00PS Sorry for such a long comment. =]PS Sorry for such a long comment. =]Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12731583979680673836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-77177568639195024592009-02-01T12:27:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:27:00.000-05:00Great analysis Brian! I think the writers have don...Great analysis Brian! I think the writers have done an excellent job creating such a complex storyline but keeping it (almost) easy enough for us to follow & figure out.<BR/><BR/>I hope we do find out more behind things like the numbers that seemed like such a focus, maybe they don't mean anything and were just there to distract us but they seemed to repeat too many times - at least in important areas like the being engraved on the hatch & in a distress call that Hurley heard via crazy guy in the institution.<BR/><BR/>As far as time skipping and our current Losties running into 2004 Losties I hope we don't see too much of that. Would it make sense if current Sawyer were talking to past Kate and he just disappeared in front of her, but then she sees past Sawyer at the camp - that could get really confusing for the Losties & us if we had to look at past seasons to figure out which character we were seeing. Maybe something 'fixes' the time skip before the plane crashes?<BR/><BR/>I was trying to figure out how many times the Island moved on Ms. Hawking's board but couldn't tell. If it continues moving in space how could characters like Tom travel to & from the island without getting lost along the way? Or like you said maybe it's a risk they take?<BR/><BR/>I think you're right that Ellie is Faraday's mom and Widmore is Penny's dad - no other relation. It would add more twists to the storyline but doesn't add up.<BR/><BR/>As far as good vs. evil, it's definitely not clear cut. I think it could end up that Ben & Widmore both have the same intentions - saving/protecting the island/world from exploding but have different ways of doing it. At some point Widmore must have thought that he had 'rights' to the Island if he claimed that it was always his. Maybe it was always his since Ben was on the Island, Widmore could have been in the 'application process' of becoming the next leader but then Alpert saw something special about Ben (or had an encounter with the time skippers) and chose him instead??<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your notes about Jughead, I didn't think it could have been in the hatch because a nuke does more damage than a purple light but the Orchid seemed to make sense. Maybe the location of the Orchid was built around the cemented Jughead by Dharma at a later date?<BR/><BR/>Also, a thought on Locke's convo with Alpert & getting off of the Island and having to die to convince the O6 to return to the Island. I think that Locke somehow got off of the Island (either by FDW - which could explain the 70 hour deadline somehow, it's only allowed so many turns?? OR in some Other way of traveling) then talked to the O6 trying to convince them to return and then did what Alpert told him he would have to do - die. The newspaper article that Jack saw makes sense, he committed suicide for a greater cause, so the O6 would return and save the Island/world.<BR/><BR/>PS I know Island isn't a proper noun but I think it's a character all in it's own. =]Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12731583979680673836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-23300864981962278132009-02-01T12:15:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:15:00.000-05:00About Widmore and his island: maybe over time his ...About Widmore and his island: maybe over time his memory got a bit distorted, or he thinks he should have been the next leader and not Ben, and he thinks more and more of the island as HIS island.<BR/><BR/>Interesting observation about Juliet, she doesn't seem to be the least concerned as if she has been going through it all before...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com