tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post4778550251230683971..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: Lost - "Whatever Happened, Happened"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-46925762272413438162009-04-02T13:00:00.000-05:002009-04-02T13:00:00.000-05:00My understanding was that Alpert said Ben will not...My understanding was that Alpert said Ben will not remember this incident (ie being shot by Sayid) therefore future Ben will not recognize Sayid & maybe Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley & Juliet. <BR/><BR/><BR/>As for Jack - what an ass!<BR/><BR/>Up here in Canada the Space Channel is re-running Lost and looking back you see Jack being stubborn and continuously making the wrong choices. How ironic that his behaviour led to young Ben becoming really screwed up big Ben!abbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073591620653900352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56115702628635105382009-04-01T15:53:00.000-05:002009-04-01T15:53:00.000-05:00I think that Brian is right because the name of th...I think that Brian is right because the name of the Season finale is "The Incident."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-51064604564338567092009-04-01T15:44:00.000-05:002009-04-01T15:44:00.000-05:00It makes sense that the time travlers will have to...It makes sense that the time travlers will have to make one more jump, presumably before the purge, and jump back to the "present day" (2007?). How that happens, we'll have to see. By doing that they will skip over themselves after the Oceanic crash and join the Ajira survivors. Will they return to the "real world" then?<BR/><BR/>Imagine the publicity when 5 of the O6 survive another plane crash!<BR/><BR/>Assuming that all of our survivors are over the age of 30, does anyone have any thoughts on if/how their younger selves in 1977 might have some awareness of their older selves being alive at the very same time in another part of the world? Just as Ben is 12 or 14, so must Jack and Sayid and Sawyer be 12 or 14 somewhere, living their lives leading up to the time they got on the Oceanic flight.Dave Hartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14788810146869823651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-46093370257167950822009-04-01T15:15:00.000-05:002009-04-01T15:15:00.000-05:00J-Bos, if Brian is right (and I have a strong feel...J-Bos, if Brian is right (and I have a strong feeling he is), the season finale will be our survivors causing "the incident," which takes them back to the present time, rejoining Locke, Sun and everybody else.<BR/><BR/>If that is the case, then the answer to your question is that they won't be on the island in 2004 to run into themselves.<BR/><BR/>Brian, have you looked at the episode descriptions for the upcoming episodes? or is that dabbling into spoilers?TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-84258313393169706382009-04-01T14:57:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:57:00.000-05:00Thanks Jack/Victor. I’m on board with what you guy...Thanks Jack/Victor. I’m on board with what you guys are saying. I’m still confused about how things will play out when the time travelers reach a point that they’ve already experienced (i.e. 2004) or if they’ll just time travel past then to ‘present day’. But as Victor says, Lost’s version of the answer to that scenario has yet to be given…Dharma Mayonnaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00677093103742224522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-6661886806135857192009-04-01T14:08:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:08:00.000-05:00J-Bos....some folks shown in last episode were liv...J-Bos....some folks shown in last episode were living in their organic timeframe (70's). For them (ie; young Benjamin Linus), he will grow up and remember whatever happened to him in that time. It was clearly implied that as a grown-up, he had first hand reason to know that Sayid is a "natural killer" given that he shot Ben as a young kid. <BR/><BR/>However, as for our time-travelers (ie; Sayid), they can only remember this chapter in their life after they live it. As a result, Sayid and others will only rememeber these events heretofore. <BR/><BR/>Clearly a tough thing to wrap your head around but that seems to be clearly what the writters had in mind so far as the dynamic of time traveling and the memory of those present in that time and those traveling in time. <BR/><BR/>A good example is when Sawyer asks Richard if he remembered John Locke visiting their camp several years prior and then, puff, disappearing? Richard held a memory of that event but Locke would only remember it after it happened in his lifecycle. <BR/><BR/>Make any sense?jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-47723026246340299682009-04-01T11:33:00.000-05:002009-04-01T11:33:00.000-05:00J-Bos, what you're failing to understand is that y...J-Bos, what you're failing to understand is that yes, Sayid always shot Ben in the 70's, but Sayid had not done it until now. Because of that he can't "remember" such a thing, because he hadn't time traveled to the past on done it yet.<BR/>Now, the people that should "remember" such a thing are the ones that were always there in the 70's, people like Ben and whoever else was there in Dharma that survived the purge (probably just Ethan, but he was too young).<BR/><BR/>As for your question of Sayid seeing his 2004 self crash on the island, that's a good question, and it applies to all the other survivors as well. That's a question we won't have the answer to until most likely the end of the show.<BR/><BR/>Dave, Chang's baby was clearly a boy, Chang said to "shut him up."TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-4157084288389719712009-04-01T11:27:00.000-05:002009-04-01T11:27:00.000-05:00Dave Harty, that theory doesn't really hold water....Dave Harty, that theory doesn't really hold water. Remember, there was a scene earlier in the season where Sawyer saw Claire giving birth. Clearly, Sawyer was in that time period as a survivor of 815. Because of this, wouldn't Sawyer and Locke have to have died/not travelled to the time period that they were still in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-55846945648381195432009-04-01T11:24:00.000-05:002009-04-01T11:24:00.000-05:00Oooh Dave Harty! Good thought, maybe Changs kid is...Oooh Dave Harty! Good thought, maybe Changs kid is Sun! I haven't thought this through, but I like the idea.JillyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10716017464847023002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-47500591416679028342009-04-01T10:46:00.000-05:002009-04-01T10:46:00.000-05:00J-Bos - Maybe that explains why Ben didn't travel ...J-Bos - Maybe that explains why Ben didn't travel back to 1977 with Jack, Kate and Hurley - because he was already there as a 12 year old. Could that be the reason? It would also explain why Charlotte died before the final flash back to 1974, because she was there too.<BR/><BR/>If so, maybe that is why Sun didn't go to the past. Do we know that Chang's child was a boy???Dave Hartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14788810146869823651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-33289067496162405672009-04-01T10:12:00.000-05:002009-04-01T10:12:00.000-05:00Your analysis seems right on, but I'm afraid that ...Your analysis seems right on, but I'm afraid that given the date, the episode title might be a red herring, and Ben's shooting really didn't happen before. I tend to agree with the "Whatever happened, happened" theory, but I'm afraid that given how blatant the episode's title is, it may be a complex April Fool's Day joke.<BR/>I hope not, but it's a possibility. Guess we'll find out soon enough.Grimalkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00116370083789464919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-18849756309540106572009-04-01T09:35:00.000-05:002009-04-01T09:35:00.000-05:00I think I have the Whatever happened, happened thi...I think I have the Whatever happened, happened thing straight in my head except for one thing – what happens to the time traveling survivors. Using Sayid as an example, obviously the shooting of Ben has always happened yet he clearly has no memory of it when they crashed in 2004/when he tortured Ben in the hatch. Would this memory of shooting Ben become clear to him in 2008? <BR/><BR/>If he were to live on the Island from 1977-2004 would he see himself crash on the island or is the assumption that ‘fate’ would lead him back off island and onto the Oceanic flight? I know we saw Sawyer view Kate from afar but can one view/interact with oneself? (I guess I need to watch 12 Monkeys)Dharma Mayonnaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00677093103742224522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-39903949314255354422009-04-01T08:28:00.000-05:002009-04-01T08:28:00.000-05:00How could Ben survive? The answer is obvious. Sa...How could Ben survive? The answer is obvious. Sayid shot him in the heart ... but Ben has no heart! No vital organs were damaged. Just like John Locke. :)Striderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07859685939890312325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-11780893090871447402009-04-01T08:26:00.000-05:002009-04-01T08:26:00.000-05:00Should be a great episode, can't wait.Should be a great episode, can't wait.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-36660448162934478532009-03-31T21:27:00.000-05:002009-03-31T21:27:00.000-05:00Thanks Brian - the whatever happened, happened con...Thanks Brian - the whatever happened, happened concept has finally crystalised in my mind so it's a no-brainer isn't it? Ben survives!<BR/><BR/>The only possible surprise maybe why Kate fights to save Ben (he helped her with Aaron & Claie's Mum?). <BR/><BR/>PS My original bet was that Aaron is with Cassy but it now lookslike he's with Grandma doesn't it so the Cassy story is what Kate motivated her to return to the island? (I'm sure I'll be completely wrong as usual.)<BR/><BR/>PPS Is Cathy asking if a bullet wound 'scar' (ie bullet has been removed) can eventually turn into a tumor?glfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216711472123048055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-79779322194290790052009-03-31T21:12:00.000-05:002009-03-31T21:12:00.000-05:00Jack would have to be able to tell the difference ...Jack would have to be able to tell the difference between a bullet and tumor, plus it looked like sayid shot him more in the chest... although im just hoping that somehow ben dies and futureben pulls a marty mcfly and fades away =P<BR/><BR/>P.S. i believe none of us object to more pictures of kate in your posts!EddieBrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597830977970891260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-60728407061053778672009-03-31T20:41:00.000-05:002009-03-31T20:41:00.000-05:00I'm no doctor, but I have to think that Jack, a sp...I'm no doctor, but I have to think that Jack, a spinal surgeon by trade, would be able to tell the difference between a tumor and a bullet - even if somehow the bullet was "lodged" in Ben's back.<BR/><BR/>Any medical professionals out there, feel free to confirm or deny.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-17295745701001710152009-03-31T20:37:00.000-05:002009-03-31T20:37:00.000-05:00I don't want to sound stupid, but could there be a...I don't want to sound stupid, but could there be a connection between young Ben's bullet wound and adult Ben's back "tumor"?Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15980108814419803603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-49913385248178093762009-03-31T20:16:00.000-05:002009-03-31T20:16:00.000-05:00Sounds like a good episode! I just found out that ...Sounds like a good episode! <BR/>I just found out that the actor who plays Horace was also Percy, the awful prison guard, in the Green Mile with Tom Hanks. Wow, what a transformation! He is a great actor.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14734067460647224318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-69083003684668239142009-03-31T19:08:00.000-05:002009-03-31T19:08:00.000-05:00I'm so excited!Can't wait to see Clementine..!I'm ...I'm so excited!<BR/>Can't wait to see Clementine..!<BR/>I'm hoping to see Alpert in both timelines too.Renee'https://www.blogger.com/profile/07811075310901081603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-54005071811679021642009-03-31T18:06:00.000-05:002009-03-31T18:06:00.000-05:00can't wait. what else can anyone say!!!can't wait. what else can anyone say!!!jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.com