tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post2469266120433220063..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "LaFleur" Instant ReactionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-67159145012127045802009-03-13T08:07:00.000-05:002009-03-13T08:07:00.000-05:00Eddie, you're right. In that video Chang does say ...Eddie, you're right. In that video Chang does say "Lafleur what are you doing?" only thing is that he pronounces it like "la-floour."<BR/><BR/>This is awesome, I wonder if we'll get to see that situation happening this season.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-75650454588426736592009-03-12T19:03:00.000-05:002009-03-12T19:03:00.000-05:00Has anyone seen this video and noticed that at the...Has anyone seen this video and noticed that at the end (3:30ish) Chang appears to say "Lafleur what are you doing??"... its a bit foggy but its a definite possibility, any thoughts?<BR/><BR/>http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_booth_videoEddieBrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597830977970891260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-49197041503198427852009-03-11T14:06:00.000-05:002009-03-11T14:06:00.000-05:00I meant "more along the lines" != "exactly the sam...I meant "more along the lines" != "exactly the same". <BR/><BR/>!= as in "not equal to" :-)jon.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07683832501829055333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-61742877964451795362009-03-11T14:04:00.000-05:002009-03-11T14:04:00.000-05:00Steve: Well the nerd in me feels strangely compell...Steve: Well the nerd in me feels strangely compelled to point out that "more alone the lines" != "exactly the same". I'm fine with along the lines. I'm just also open to the possibility that the Lost team will also through us a few Desmond shaped time theoretic curvballs before this whole thing is open. <BR/><BR/>The "I'm in insurance" is relevant to the question of how malleable time is in the 12 monkeys movie which is relevant to Lost given the presumption that Lost tracks 12M. It is obviously added for ambiguation in 12M. So if the Lost folks say that they're aiming for 12 monkeys time travel, what version of it are they adopting? That was my point. <BR/><BR/>That said, Lost is so far closer to 12M than most other time travel stories I've seen.jon.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07683832501829055333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-18811129216980638232009-03-10T18:57:00.000-05:002009-03-10T18:57:00.000-05:00Jon, I know this is hard to believe coming from m...Jon, I know this is hard to believe coming from me..but you're overanalyzing. The producers have said that they want their time travel to be more alone the lines of 12 monkeys. You're readimg into story details.. the 'i'm in insurance' quite is completely irrevelent to the comment. This is Lost, not 12 monkeys... but the time travel is the realistic 12 monkees style rather than Heroes, Back to the Future, Terminator type of time travel. You're getting lost in the details.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-28757677247372218652009-03-10T15:33:00.000-05:002009-03-10T15:33:00.000-05:00VictorC: Nah, I can't see that Lost uses "exactly ...VictorC: Nah, I can't see that Lost uses "exactly the same time travel laws". The details are still too fuzzy to be sure about it. Fuzzy both in how the time theory in Lost plays out and what it actually is in 12 monkeys. The ending is ambiguous; see the " I'm in insurance" quote on the wikipedia page. Also: Desmond being "special" also opens up the Lost time travel rules to exceptions if the writers want such a thing. <BR/><BR/>So, there are similarities so far, yes, but I'll wait a bit before I jump on the exactly train.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, my Lost withdrawal/abstinence syndrome is starting to kick in so I'm really looking forward to Brian's analysis as a stand-in for a new episode. :-)jon.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07683832501829055333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1103307748784056482009-03-09T19:35:00.000-05:002009-03-09T19:35:00.000-05:00Sorry guys - it's been a busy few days. The Analys...Sorry guys - it's been a busy few days. The Analysis Post is about 75% done, and should be up tomorrow night. Look at it this way, it will give you something to read on Wednesday to account for the lack of Lost!<BR/><BR/>This is why deadlines are a good thing. In my mind, I had no rush this week :)Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-38640220877027825982009-03-09T15:45:00.000-05:002009-03-09T15:45:00.000-05:00One other thing...didn't want this period to pass ...One other thing...didn't want this period to pass without commenting on Josh Halloway and his acting chops. To me, not only was this guy very well cast to play Sawyer on LOST, but he appears to have leading man qualities. Next to Terry O'Quinn and Mike Emerson, he's one of the stronger actors on the cast IMO.jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37875722175235408582009-03-09T13:18:00.000-05:002009-03-09T13:18:00.000-05:0012 Monkees was quite clear at the end. The point w...12 Monkees was quite clear at the end. The point was 'whatever happned, happened' and had nothing to do with meeting your younger self. That was part of the story, not the time travel logic.<BR/><BR/>From the mouth of Damon Linleof:<BR/>What would happen if you were in the past and tried to change the present as you knew it, would you A)Fail, or B)Succeed, or C)Cause the thing you were trying to prevent. And that's really interesting to us, because there's no (do-over's).<BR/><BR/>- Damon Lindelof<BR/><BR/>I think it's quite obvious that option C is Lost AND 12 Monkeys.<BR/><BR/>I can't find the Damon quote on 12 Monkeys... it was from a podcast last season. They were asked if the flash forwards meant that those that got off the island would return to the past to fix things. Damon, much more articulate than I... said something like this:<BR/><BR/>We've not going to have someone travel from the future to warn their past self, hense preventing the event that caused you to go back in the past to start with! Think of Hero in Heroes with "save the cheerleader", by saving her, there no reason for Hero to travel back with this warning. <BR/><BR/>I also want to mention that Damon Lindelof is a BIG fan of "The Watchmen". He's quoted on the back of the recent paperback release. There are some LOST paralells.<BR/><BR/>IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE WATCHMEN SPOILED, STOP READING:<BR/><BR/>A hero with a lot of money decided to save the world from war and destruction, etc. He gathers the best scientics, artists, etc together.. they "disappear".. and are assembled on an island to do his research. The goal of this project was to clone some sort of psionic being.. creating a psionic monster, then teleport this Monster to the heart of New York City, where the teleportation would cause the mind of the monster to lose control, killing everyone for miles. Because of his appearance, the world would think that this creature was from space, the world would stop fighting and unite the world togther. This man's hidden base was in antartica. <BR/><BR/>From a lost standpoint, the Lost Experience from season 3, thought not cannon, stated that the numbers were a value of the equation that would determine the time of the end of the world. Scientics were pulled to the Dharma initiative in order to try to change these values for the betterment of mankind. War, disease, hunger, etc. <BR/><BR/>One may call Jacob a Psionic being.. it was suggested in a podcast when asked whether Jacob was a prisoner, alien, or some such that was confined to the island to do the bidding of those that control him. His answer was "i can't answer any part of that question". <BR/><BR/>Then you have the antarctic station with the Brazillians working for Penny.<BR/><BR/>So here is the deal... I think that being the Sci-Fi and comic book geeks, that it's natural to pull ideas from many stories, watchmen(that island thing is NOT the main plot, but a passing detail at the end), or twelve monkeys. Damon has joked that he has a journal of every time travel story ever made and has stated since season 2 "who's to say that we don't already have elements of time travel in the story" and that we just don't realize it yet.<BR/><BR/>At least he doesn't steal stories, but incorperates ideas in different ways. Way to go guys!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-24313253778107050432009-03-09T11:36:00.000-05:002009-03-09T11:36:00.000-05:00So I get to work on Monday expecting to see the An...So I get to work on Monday expecting to see the Analysis so I can read it on the porcelain throne, and nothing! C'mon, Brian just because we don't get a new Lost this week doesn't mean you get a week off!!<BR/><BR/>J/K, of course, thanks for all you do. My wife thinks I'm amazingly smart because I'm putting things together thanks to your analysis!Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06330580500055393452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-21651169064626284232009-03-09T10:23:00.000-05:002009-03-09T10:23:00.000-05:00Good work on getting rid of the Anon, but I lost m...Good work on getting rid of the Anon, but I lost my Dharma Mayonnaise tag lol. <BR/><BR/>I’m way late on commenting but just a couple of comments on the comments... <BR/>Re: Charlotte and her mother speaking in a different language. I watched the show again on the weekend and they’re definitely speaking English (though I don’t recall exactly what she said). <BR/><BR/>Re: Rebecca being disturbed that no one is looking for Rose, Bernard, and Vincent. Isn’t that exactly what Jin was doing when he said he didn’t find anyone at Grid 133? He’s clearly searching the island methodically (though Locke is likely the central target, not Rose and Co)<BR/><BR/>Re: And I second Jack’s assertion that Faraday’s own struggle with whether or not to tell Charlotte anything even when he knows “whatever happens happens” (should we have a new anagram for that – WHH? lol). It’s just his emotions clouding logic and him hoping that he could do something/anything to save her. Simply another faith vs science reference for Lost.<BR/><BR/>Fantastic episode overall. Really enjoyed it.Dharma Mayonnaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00677093103742224522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-42180762374286399182009-03-09T08:11:00.000-05:002009-03-09T08:11:00.000-05:00Or maybe the statue is Sekhmet:http://en.wikipedia...Or maybe the statue is Sekhmet:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekhmet<BR/>http://www.nilecommerce.net/images/statues/colored/sekhmet-cremeL.jpg<BR/>http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/egypt/E-56sekhmet.jpgomannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04628901700915368712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-19212696606376422542009-03-09T06:25:00.000-05:002009-03-09T06:25:00.000-05:00The four toe statue must be John:http://www.offici...The four toe statue must be John:<BR/>http://www.officiallost.com/index.php?topic=3466.0omannihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04628901700915368712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-4441724172586340092009-03-08T11:12:00.000-05:002009-03-08T11:12:00.000-05:00jon, just watching the movie you can see LOST uses...jon, just watching the movie you can see LOST uses the exact same time travel laws. Plus the producers have already stated that.<BR/><BR/>I don't know how you remember the movie, but the ending was pretty clear to me. And the movie <I>clearly</I> showed that, just like in LOST, whatever happened happened and nothing can be changed. You might need to watch it again...<BR/><BR/>Good point about Alpert and the FTS though.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-17719002294283922292009-03-08T05:58:00.000-05:002009-03-08T05:58:00.000-05:00VictorC: 12 Monkeys is a great film on its own mer...VictorC: 12 Monkeys is a great film on its own merits but we can't be certain that the Lost universe will handle time and time travel in exactly the same way as in 12 M. There's of course no settled answer to what happens when a person sees himself in the past that the Lost writers must adhere to. They're free to make up a new theory. But for the story to make sense they must of course accommodate the "whatever happens, happens" idea that they've already given us.<BR/><BR/>And if I remember 12 M correctly then its ending is wide open to competing interpretations of what exactly happens when you meet your younger self, if the past can be changed and so on. So even if Lost were to copy exactly from it then we'd still not know for sure what that means.<BR/><BR/><BR/>A completely different thing: if Alpert has been on the island long enough to see the statue intact then we know that it isn't a statue of Locke or Sawyer. Otherwise Alpert would have recognized their faces when first meeting them in the 50s/70s. So either Alpert has never seen the statue or it is not a statue of Locke or Sawyer.jon.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07683832501829055333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-6581849648129925972009-03-07T19:33:00.000-05:002009-03-07T19:33:00.000-05:00CJ, it's not a discrepancy at all. All they did wa...CJ, it's not a discrepancy at all. All they did was summarize it, so they showed the scene with most of the detail out.<BR/>They did the same thing at the end of the episode 316, where the beginning we saw was actually the end of the episode, only in the end it was a bit different, because they summarized things, cut a few clips out.<BR/><BR/>singhy, if you watch 12 Monkeys you'll see what happens when a person sees himself in the past. I don't want to spoil anything from the movie, but suffice it to say it's not what Brian thinks would happen.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-49176633918297352952009-03-07T17:58:00.000-05:002009-03-07T17:58:00.000-05:00Re: Dan ShargelGood spot, although Ben also said t...Re: Dan Shargel<BR/><BR/>Good spot, although Ben also said that Charlotte was born in England, and we know that is wrong, so it doesn't seem too far-fetched that he also announced the wrong birth-year (whether innocently or not)?singhyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249393839274951084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-60827303166984375352009-03-07T15:43:00.000-05:002009-03-07T15:43:00.000-05:00Assuming that Miles is the baby from the season op...Assuming that Miles is the baby from the season opener (seeing as his nose bleeds indicate that he's been on the island quite a bit before, but he doesn't remember), I find it quite amusing that Miles' parents are on the island with him! Will he not recognise them? In fact, from Faraday's presence in the opener, it seems that Miles will be born on the island whilst he is working security!<BR/><BR/>That might be an indicative of Brian's theory that, ala Back to the Future, coming in to contact with oneself in the past is a 'very bad thing'!?singhyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249393839274951084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1064708482797956402009-03-07T13:32:00.000-05:002009-03-07T13:32:00.000-05:00I am still troubled by the apparent discrepancies ...I am still troubled by the apparent discrepancies between what we saw Locke do with the FDW (with Christian watching over, not helping) and what we saw at the beginning of this episode, in the "previously on Lost" sequence. Maybe I wasn't watching carefully enough or remembering properly, but the angle and Locke's movements seemed quite different, plus the fact that in the second iteration there was no hint of Christian's presence. <BR/><BR/>Of course, it is also possible that the different angle accounts for the fact that we don't see him. But it also appeared to me that Locke did the moving of the FDW with a little less effort and/or pain that we originally saw.<BR/><BR/>It's a small detail that keeps nagging at me, and my first thought was of another prominent time-travel theory, of parallel universes. I know that the other evidence has pointed pretty clearly to the 12 Monkeys school of closed-loop time travel, but it certainly not be the first time that the rules of the game have been changed in the middle.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12457859235778486454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-7216702589348638762009-03-06T17:06:00.000-05:002009-03-06T17:06:00.000-05:00I actually really liked this episode, a lot. I don...I actually really liked this episode, a lot. I don't know why 100% but it was just the whole feel of it. Even with the anon dudes Lafleur spoiler (it was a spoiler because in the episodes promo we couldn't see Sawyer's name tag) it was still great. Maybe it was one of those episodes that just had a lot of those puzzle peices fall into play while at the same time raising in classic Lost fashion more and more questions.<BR/><BR/>- Sawyer's comment to Juliet "well maybe whatever caused that hasn't happened yet". -- awesome! this leads us to think that it was a specific event that caused the whole mother/baby issues, so what event hmmm? Is this related to the whole FTS (Taueret : nice find BTW Goklemez, see more below) or was it Amy's Ankh that protected her - it certainly didn't protect her husband. <BR/><BR/>http://i.friendfeed.com/d1baf71a9600cb931c1cf96f9794a2d752124372<BR/> <BR/> <BR/>- The whole Dharma\Hostiles treaty. Why do bodies have to be returned etc? And why especially since the it was the others who killed a Dharmite first?<BR/> <BR/>- Sawyer asking the "guy with eye-liner" (Richard Alpert) about Jughead. Glad Jughead wasn't forgotten about. The eyeliner comment also got me to thinking how in some movies and shows with Egyptian themes you see such strong eye shawdow usually on the characters in them, so is Richard supposedly, originally an Egyptian? Is he extremely that old? <BR/><BR/>- If all it takes to bypass the sonic fence is a good pair of earplugs, hmmm not too secure is it?<BR/><BR/>- Faraday seeing Charlotte and his whole not gonna tell her quagmire. I suspect something is still going to happen that will motivate him to repeat this mistake.<BR/><BR/>- Does lil' Ben show up next week. Does the comment about Juliet "looking just like her" come more into play. Because perhaps if it isn't a reference to Ben's mother than perhaps it was a refernece to Juliet (in Dharma times).<BR/><BR/>- I also like the fact that now three years has past for the 06 and for the time jumping survivors. And not a hey we saw you four days ago sort of thing.<BR/><BR/>- Desmond is a good guess for the baby boy, but I'm only about 10% on that one.<BR/><BR/><BR/>More about Taueret:<BR/><BR/>In childbirth, Taueret suckled and protected the newborn. In the underworld, she carried the deceased toward a new destiny. In art, Taueret appeared as a hippopotamus standing on her hind legs with pendant breasts, sometimes with the back of a crocodile and the feet of a lion. In her role as an avenging deity, Taueret had the head of a lion and the body of a hippopotamus, brandishing a dagger, and sometimes carrying a crocodile on her shoulders.<BR/><BR/>_____<BR/><BR/>The goddess wears a striped tripartite wig, with the front two lappets resting above her pendulous breasts. The mouth of her long snout is partially open revealing sharp teeth. Her arms are held either side of her distended belly. Down her back runs a broad tail, incised with a series of 'v'-shaped lines. <BR/>Taueret, the great female one, first appeared in Old Kingdom times. Her main attributes are the ‘sa’ symbol for protection, and the ‘ankh’, symbol of life. She was a benevolent deity connected to the travails of pregnancy and birth, the protectress of women in childbirth. Depicted with the head of a hippopotamus, the tail of a crocodile, pendulous breasts and the swollen belly of a pregnant woman she usually wears a long wig and opens her mouth to bear her fearsome teeth. Her ferocious appearance was thought to deter evil forces during childbirth when women would wear amulets for their protective powers.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Can't wait for your analysis B. And thanks for blocking the whole anon's.Hobbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691556573260082346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-77482282331166555772009-03-06T16:38:00.000-05:002009-03-06T16:38:00.000-05:00I know it's not Anubis or even Taueret (who's the ...I know it's not Anubis or even Taueret (who's the closest Egyptian god being depicted on the statue). I'm pretty sure the face will be one of the characters we know.<BR/>My hunch being on Alpert or Faraday, but who knows.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-55729897700597082692009-03-06T14:58:00.000-05:002009-03-06T14:58:00.000-05:00Sandals were fairly Mediterranean and I've seen Eg...Sandals were fairly Mediterranean and I've seen Egyptian statues with Sandals; but the reference may even predate the Egyptian culture; ala Stargate theory of a master culture.<BR/><BR/>Kilt is male, VictorC is spot on.<BR/><BR/>Is the statue merely Anubis or another God or is it a person? Could the statue have a larger significance or is it being used as a means to move the story point of a larger scope in the history of the island and the Others?KarlHightowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198166876596043916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-29203245180900574232009-03-06T14:27:00.000-05:002009-03-06T14:27:00.000-05:00More on the FTS (despite such an awesome episode, ...More on the FTS (despite such an awesome episode, I'm still fascinated by it, lol):<BR/><BR/>- It can't be a female, because the kilt isn't long enough. It's always the males that have it that length with females' length down to their ankles.<BR/><BR/>- It can't be purely Egyptian, because if you remember, the statue is wearing sandals, which was more of a Greco-Roman feature. So perhaps it's their own interpretation of Egyptian religion/style.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, I don't think we're going to get another look at it until the last season, when they reveal who it is.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-86129878389930863502009-03-06T14:00:00.000-05:002009-03-06T14:00:00.000-05:00Has no one mentioned that Richard Alpert looks vag...Has no one mentioned that Richard Alpert looks vaguely Egyptian? That and the fact that Sawyer even mentioned something about his mascara. <BR/>The Egyptian statue, Alpert, not aging till you hit your original point in time and the old who built the pyramids debate.<BR/>BTW, awesome blog! Does a great job of keeping my attention to the shows details!!KarlHightowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198166876596043916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-82674980324509383802009-03-06T09:48:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:48:00.000-05:00Yeah Gibbo that was me, truly amazing movie, I can...Yeah Gibbo that was me, truly amazing movie, I can see why it was so inspiring to the producers.<BR/>I'm about to watch it again, with the director's commentary, lol.<BR/><BR/>For everyone that wants to fully understand LOST time travel, go rent 12 Monkeys.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.com