tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post7202392217170391676..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "Dead is Dead' Instant Reactions!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-35827672568902639112009-04-11T18:27:00.000-05:002009-04-11T18:27:00.000-05:00The processing center is at the barracks. It's jus...The processing center is at the barracks. It's just a building we've never seen before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-38873580916374187012009-04-10T23:45:00.000-05:002009-04-10T23:45:00.000-05:00OK.. back for one more thing.. remember that Radin...OK.. back for one more thing.. remember that Radinsky and what's his face in the Swan.. who drew that map on the blast door.<BR/><BR/>That whole blast door thing doesn't make sense.. the Blast door had a question to the 'flame', but being radinsky stinking worked there, he would have known all about it. Why would he have had to guess about this stuff? What about the disease comments and the cure being worse than the disease? What about his mention of Cerberus, which indicated that Smokey might have originally been a dharma thing.<BR/><BR/>I'm starting to think that the show is not as well planned out as I thought. I'm not sure they've known exacly what Smokey was. All the actions of smokey in the past, well.. now the only one that's making sense is Yemi. I'm losing a bit of confidence in the writers closing things off so well. But I'm holding hope.<BR/><BR/>OK.. last message. promise.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-64922039047782324622009-04-10T23:39:00.000-05:002009-04-10T23:39:00.000-05:00Locke just 'knows' stuff now. How did he know abou...Locke just 'knows' stuff now. How did he know about the temple? When he was resurrected, he's just aware. He's not saying anything about sun because he's.. for lack of a better saying 'in touch' with the island. He's operating on a different plane, and just see's sun there for what it's value is the island, he's stopped asking questions long ago. Shoot, he's even asking about being dead? <BR/>I loved it how he had command over Ben..turning the tables on him. Yet there is no way to explain his demeanor other than being in tune with the island.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And I really am going to bed now.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-69195143256469596262009-04-10T23:35:00.000-05:002009-04-10T23:35:00.000-05:00OK, I think the purge happened pre-1988, or CFL wo...OK, I think the purge happened pre-1988, or CFL would have been found by them.. or visa versa. It's likely they didn't move into the barracks immediately, i think men had already taken over by the time we see him pushing Alex on the swing. They didn't move in immediately.<BR/><BR/>But the timing on Widmore is off.. unless he is ourside of the bounds of time. If Alex was born in 1988.. she looks about 5.. then widmore was exiled in 1993, or 1992 at best. Assuming it's 2008(I think it's 2007..but... we'll go with 2008) he's been off the island for 15-16 years, not 20. The only way he has been off 20 years is if he was sent back in time to the outside world, or if he had left the island immedately after the alex incident.<BR/><BR/>I need to think about next weeks title 'some like it hoth'. First thought is 'star wars' but Hoth is COLD, so maybe there are polar bears? OK, I'm half asleep! G'night!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-31657127191680146852009-04-10T23:19:00.000-05:002009-04-10T23:19:00.000-05:00yeah, one thing that I just don't understand is ho...yeah, one thing that I just don't understand is how there's a secret passage to summon the monster inside a Dharma house. Did they not see it there when they built the place?petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151872871142780998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-86560880465561163242009-04-10T22:05:00.000-05:002009-04-10T22:05:00.000-05:00Yes Brian! lots of info, but some flimsy stuff as ...Yes Brian! lots of info, but some flimsy stuff as well.<BR/>Casting the actors for older Ben and Widmore as younger people was unconvincing. When Widmore jumped from the horse, I just didn't think I was watching lost. <BR/>But horses on the island? Unless they were stolen from Dharma, there needs to be some explaining..and I'm sure there will be.<BR/><BR/>Apparently Ben DID forget that Sayid shot him, and in my opinion, the story would be a lot deeper if he DID remember.<BR/>There were much better ways to do this. I really hope they had a reason for taking this approach.<BR/>Though Ben did say he didn't remember Sawyer, Hurley, Kate and Jack in Dharma, he may have been lying.<BR/>Too much of a coincidence that these are the same people who were on the exchange list at the end of season 2.<BR/>Or maybe I'm getting overconfident in the writers abilities.<BR/><BR/>A couple things... First.. they focused on Ben grabbing an Ajira bottle, which could suggest that the bottle found <BR/>in the 'future' may have been Ben's. <BR/><BR/>I also think that with Guns and the "Statue" people, we now know who was shooting at the time skipper, and who Juliet probably shot.<BR/>These people have to be with Widmore. He's sent people with Guns before, hey he shot one without blinking... and Ben seemed as shocked at the Gun as he did at Locke being alive.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And that's where I disagree with Brian... Ben's explenation to Locke was a lie, the story to Sun was true. Smokey/Alex even told him that they know he was plotting to kill him again.<BR/>Which is interesting. The island still has a use for Ben, as a follower of Locke. This leads me to believe that the 'island' is favoring Locke. <BR/>Locke sure has a lot of knowledge all of a sudden. But what confuses me is that Widmore told Locke that he needed him alive, that a war was coming and that Locke <BR/>being on the island was a big part of it. If he's against the 'island', is the island really 'good'?<BR/><BR/>Also, did anyone notice that 'god' that was in the wall painting in the temple interacting with Smokey? Looks a lot like anubius to me... is that the statue?<BR/><BR/>The CFL story was a bit weak, but not as bad as the Ben 'forgetting' mentioned above.<BR/><BR/>And we now have seen some holes in the writing of this show... so I'm not paying too close of attention to the statue from behind, or anything like that.<BR/>I still feel that there was a kind of cheap element to the temple, and the way that ben summoned smokey was kind of lame. Really? Why would Dharma build a house with <BR/>a secret door to the smokey summoning puddle. <BR/><BR/>That's it more now...Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-64784558978472772302009-04-10T15:18:00.000-05:002009-04-10T15:18:00.000-05:00Amazing episode.I too was thinking that Ben's true...Amazing episode.<BR/><BR/>I too was thinking that Ben's true feelings about Locke were revealed to Sun, but if that's the case he must have lied about him being the only person being brought back alive, surely he must know of Christian Shephard. I'd be surprised if he doesn't.TheycallmeVichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342191431447006111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-72886814858242877752009-04-10T07:30:00.000-05:002009-04-10T07:30:00.000-05:00I agree with Christine about Ben's excuse for kill...I agree with Christine about Ben's excuse for killing Locke. When he saw Locke sitting in front of him Ben was actually shocked, and covered it by claiming he knew the island would bring him back to life. What he said to Sun about "dead is dead" and you don't come back from that is more along the lines of what he truly believed. He had no reason to lie to Sun, she was under the impression it was Jack who lied to them about Locke being dead. If Ben was tellin gLocke the truth he could have told Sun the same thing, "I know he was dead because I made it happen so that we could convince everyone to come back here. I knew the island would bring him back because it's what the island wanted."<BR/><BR/>Why doesn't Locke wonder why Sun is on the island? You'd think he might say something like, he's surprised to see her since he didn't recruit her to come back. And then he might mention that Jin didn't want her to come back.petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151872871142780998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-13767730724073373222009-04-09T18:22:00.000-05:002009-04-09T18:22:00.000-05:00Love the blog and this is my first comment so far ...Love the blog and this is my first comment so far but here's my two cents. <BR/><BR/>I think when Ben was "judged" by the island it found him unworthy and to Ben the fate of being a follower to anyone (especially Locke)is worse than the release of death. <BR/><BR/>Also I wonder why the others wouldn't have taken Widmore down to be "judged" by smokey before booting him off the island?Boba Robeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08216884278533157264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1875733213301042212009-04-09T17:47:00.000-05:002009-04-09T17:47:00.000-05:00I think that Ben's excuse for killing Locke wa...I think that Ben's excuse for killing Locke was just a quick cover, I doubt he EVER expected to see Locke ALIVE. Like usual, he was just lying.<BR/><BR/>My thought on Widmore sending Ben to kill CFL & baby was perhaps to shame him with the island, the same way Ben tried to have Locke kill his own father - both thinking that the island would disapprove and the newbie wouldn't be a threat to their power. And in both cases it didn't work.<BR/><BR/>On a side note, I LOVED Locke this week - TOO FUNNY :DChristine - Tutorial Addict :)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00400392368847661355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56455322205466163532009-04-09T14:38:00.000-05:002009-04-09T14:38:00.000-05:00So, with the whole "Dead is Dead" title, do we thi...So, with the whole "Dead is Dead" title, do we think that John is really alive now? Or is he in some similar ghost like state as Christian Shepherd?Lizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11299424989204286158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-91220836198364221882009-04-09T12:50:00.000-05:002009-04-09T12:50:00.000-05:00really can't wait to learn more about Smokey a...really can't wait to learn more about Smokey and its' relationship to Ben but remember hearing from c&l on a podcast that this will likely be revealed sometime next season.jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-88008568330132549162009-04-09T12:14:00.000-05:002009-04-09T12:14:00.000-05:00So... are you saying Jacob is essentially a made-u...So... are you saying Jacob is essentially a made-up character by Alpert... who uses the character to usurp Widmore's power? <BR/><BR/>I don't think I buy that - there's gotta be another story behind Jacob<BR/><BR/>http://kaciesmixedmedia.blogspot.com/Kaciehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06374573594800663980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-13129524651363903942009-04-09T11:59:00.000-05:002009-04-09T11:59:00.000-05:00the island doesn't care about most people. Maybe ...the island doesn't care about most people. Maybe it cared about Alex, hence Smokey's quick reprisal against Keamey, but maybe it just cares that Ben cared about Alex and not about Caeser and the countless other deaths he caused.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160093354698448021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-54814647330304510892009-04-09T11:47:00.000-05:002009-04-09T11:47:00.000-05:00Wow...the most confusing piece of diaglogue was wh...Wow...the most confusing piece of diaglogue was when Ben manipulated and even corrupted Ceasar originality to keep an eye on Locke. In a following scene however, he ends up fataly shooting the guy. Does this make sense to anyone? Also, Locke took Ben killing the guy in a pretty light-hearted way. Finally, if Ben is being "judged" by Smokey, wouldn't killing people...especially unnecessarily, be reason to attone also?jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-36066142464588909652009-04-09T11:37:00.000-05:002009-04-09T11:37:00.000-05:00I'm surprised no one has really gotten into the Eg...I'm surprised no one has really gotten into the Egyptian angles the show is taking. I just finished Neil Gaiman's American Gods so i've been doing a lot of cultural/religious research to learn more about the characters. Anubis especially. What did the etchings of Anubis with the smoke mean? Hobbes gave you a little insight but i think this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis) explains more once you take bits from each Tier of the Egyptian Ages. Anubis' role changes a few times as thier culture progressed. I think JJ and Co took bits and pieces for the smoke...Maybe they are one in the same being since clearly the smoke is a being...or perhaps a god?<BR/><BR/>I also haven't heard anyone theorize that the Ajira crew, may be infected/influenced by the smoke...this doesn't explain the weapons crate, but didn't they all seem to shift personalities? Hmm...Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226591344473373789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-12427115172117741142009-04-09T11:18:00.000-05:002009-04-09T11:18:00.000-05:00Matthew, That may have been the least funny thing ...Matthew, <BR/><BR/>That may have been the least funny thing that anyone has ever written anywhere ... everAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-41964745660420839772009-04-09T11:17:00.000-05:002009-04-09T11:17:00.000-05:00Nickflight - i thought the same thing. Frank leavi...Nickflight - i thought the same thing. Frank leaving, in pitch darkness, to walk thru the woods and row back to the other survivors was implausible. But I guess I've come to give ever increasing poetic license to LOST writers given the complexity of all the story lines, etc.jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-48994005505953462942009-04-09T09:48:00.000-05:002009-04-09T09:48:00.000-05:00"I have some ideas." Wasn't that line which Loc..."I have some ideas." Wasn't that line which Locke laid on Sun the exact same line Ben told Jack in the funeral home? I have no idea what this means, but I find it curious.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972887950765224772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-84765714844534498152009-04-09T08:52:00.000-05:002009-04-09T08:52:00.000-05:00What a good episode!!One thing that didn't sit qui...What a good episode!!<BR/><BR/>One thing that didn't sit quite right with me was Frankie-baby just walking off casually through the creepy barracks to row back the other island alone and join back with the Ajira lot... I'd be taking my chances with Ben and Locke!!nickflighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14484048964162184346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-48641476342560961992009-04-09T08:39:00.000-05:002009-04-09T08:39:00.000-05:00What I took away from this episode was: If you flu...What I took away from this episode was: If you flush the toilet and talk to it, a giant smoke monster comes and judges you! Hey man, I was just using the bathroom! Everybody poops!Gerbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15979642941328578138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-36731399685527194712009-04-09T07:48:00.000-05:002009-04-09T07:48:00.000-05:00But the episode's title isn't because anybody died...But the episode's title isn't because anybody died, but because John Locke IS dead... That's what the frase 'Dead is Dead' was used for in the episode, right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01489794044186160603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-75352125628976388632009-04-09T05:32:00.000-05:002009-04-09T05:32:00.000-05:00Good episode but a bit dis-jointed. Also, I found ...Good episode but a bit dis-jointed. Also, I found Terry Quinn's and Mike Emerson's performance to be different and disengaged. <BR/><BR/>More to follow.....jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-9877727918449048492009-04-09T02:50:00.000-05:002009-04-09T02:50:00.000-05:00Great Instant Reaction Brian!Wow with a phrase lik...Great Instant Reaction Brian!<BR/><BR/>Wow with a phrase like "Shadow of the Statue" that just gets the crazy lost theories mojo going. <BR/>Is this a clue to who the war is with. Perhaps next season will lead to another time skip (maybe with just John) to ancient times where we see the split between Alpert's Others vs the Shadow of the Statue Others. Does that tie into Brian's Cowboys/Indians theory?<BR/><BR/>Loved the Egyptian lower temple scene. Was this an unknown chamber even to any of the Others who had been to the temple before? <BR/><BR/>Cerberus’ Egyptian correspondent is Anubis, the dog who guarded the tombs and conducted the souls to the underworld.<BR/>From: <BR/>http://monsters.monstrous.com/cerberus.htmHobbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691556573260082346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-20309834318473937812009-04-09T00:13:00.000-05:002009-04-09T00:13:00.000-05:00I'm not sure if I like that Ben lived through this...I'm not sure if I like that Ben lived through this episode. It kind of seemed to me that they kept him on just because he's a fan favorite. It looked like a typical "character dies" episode--his remaining mysteries are mostly cleared up, he goes through penance, and faces off with his past. I was really shocked when Alex appeared, but after he promised to follow Locke ('Why keep him around, even as a follower?' is another question I have), I half-expected Alex/Smokey to say "You're lying right now!" and totally murder him.<BR/><BR/>That's going with the assumption that the ghosts are actually Smokey, by the way, but I'm slightly less convinced of that after this episode. Maybe they just didn't want to make it obvious, but Smokey went away before Alex appeared. And it's easy to say that a nanobot cloud could take on any appearance, but that's probably not even what Smokey is--we don't know <I>what</I> he is! What if the ghosts were something else?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056595075245293492noreply@blogger.com