tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post3398185293279016485..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "Stranger in a Strange Land" AnalysisUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-24376868891043423262017-08-29T07:22:53.637-05:002017-08-29T07:22:53.637-05:00It was really nice to read article written on this...It was really nice to read article written on this blog. I would also like to add few techniques with best of my knowledge which can help reader more and more.<br /><a href="http://www.vshapethailand.com/tag/%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B9%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A7" rel="nofollow">หน้า เรียว</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01024129287773676410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-30965476016702683192007-02-27T22:18:00.000-05:002007-02-27T22:18:00.000-05:00just my 3 cents, Heroes is more than just quick mi...just my 3 cents, Heroes is more than just quick mindless entertainment, just like any new show its building its own mythology, and anyone who has watched from the beginning can clearly see that the show isnt all flash, but has a Lost like knack for burying mystery and clues behind seemingly innocuous moments that when put together will make sense, unfortunately Lost keeps adding more mystery and clues that hit dead ends and never seem to reach fruition, thus the reason Heroes is be praised. Heroes takes what has come before, answers the pressing questions well maintaining over arcing mysteries(such as who is Linderman, or what are HRG's real motives, and who is behind Primatech Paper.) Lost cant seem to figure how to get out of the hole they are digging with each new mystery. Lost worked initially because there was momentum, there were mysteries, clues and there were answers and there were characters worth watching. Now any old mystery is a muddled mess when trying to fit it into the writers new mysteries. Also all the characters we grew to love over two seasons have been shuffled off the board and left to be a deus ex machina when need be. I really enjoyed lost early on, but has become a pain to watch recently as we get scant follow through to what we were supposed to care about. I keep watching in hopes that soon more than just a few episodes are good, and that momentum builds instead of being sabotage by the writers lack of faith in anything that has come before.<BR/><BR/>Now this diatribe, as it somehow has become, wasnt meant to heap praise on heroes, as that show can fall off the rails to, but to discuss that sometimes its better to just keep it simple, allow the audience into the mystery, not alienate them by just buidling to more mystery. I dont want to be like some posters here and just be glad for a sub par ep, i rather have engrossing television, and in not that than nothing would be better. At least it wouldnt tarnish my memories of early much better episodes. We the audience deserve better than haveing to explain away the writers lack of consistancy, we deserve to know more than what we are given. its because i adored the initial conceit and the true reactions from fully formed characters. Now we just have mystery for the sake of mystery. well thats what i think, take it as you will. and so sorry for the horrendous way this is written. Sorta turned into a stream of conciousness there. hehe...oh, and dont forget "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World." ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-4552160180782511492007-02-26T22:25:00.000-05:002007-02-26T22:25:00.000-05:00The Brady Bunch question is an interesting one. As...The Brady Bunch question is an interesting one. As just mentioned, the Others could watch the World Series, and they have a book club that reads Stephen King. So they're obviously not out of touch with pop culture.... so why no Brady Bunch? Is their access just to more recent stuff? (Alas, no Nick at Nite?) Or, as someone said, was Carl even more secluded than the main group?Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024186205791001584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-57678084233519826022007-02-26T19:23:00.000-05:002007-02-26T19:23:00.000-05:00Yes, Ben did tell Jack that he could go home. Rem...Yes, Ben did tell Jack that he could go home. Remember when Ben showed Jack the film of the Red Sox winning the series? He told Jack if he cooperates, he can go back home....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-28823578458981964152007-02-26T19:22:00.000-05:002007-02-26T19:22:00.000-05:00"I would be much more interested to see Locke and ..."I would be much more interested to see Locke and Sayid hunt for Patchy and the other hatches instead of Jack....just throwin that out there."<BR/><BR/>Well, Sayid, Locke, and Kate are heading to save Jack, but where is Locke's heart? From an ABC released description of an upcoming episode, it describes tensions mounting between Locke and Sayid. Why? I think that Locke is looking to unlock the secrets of the island more so than he's trying to save Jack.<BR/><BR/>Remember, Locke just got his faith back. Season 1, anyone? He's out for his own personal agenda....finding Patchy. I think that's going to be more important to John Locke than finding Jack. That's the only thing I can see causing tension between Sayid and Locke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-16908840763229891802007-02-26T19:19:00.000-05:002007-02-26T19:19:00.000-05:00Did Ben ever actually tell Jack that he could leav...Did Ben ever actually tell Jack that he could leave the island (islands) and go back to the real world?<BR/><BR/>I got the feeling from this episode that when he promised Jack and Juliet that they could go home, he meant back to the Others' home on the big island, not back to the real world. What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-3474567383951682322007-02-26T15:02:00.000-05:002007-02-26T15:02:00.000-05:00Brian - great analysis of a pretty thin episodeDMa...Brian - great analysis of a pretty thin episode<BR/><BR/>DMac - I think you have an interesting theory there. Things aren't adding up, and your idea is as good as any.<BR/><BR/>Heather's brain - Thanks for saying that any new episode is a great episode. That's very true. I'd rather have subpar episodes like the last one than repeats. <BR/><BR/>The show was really strong after the hiatus for two incredible episodes, and then had a big downer, but based on what's come out about the upcoming episode, exciting developments are in store. I agree with Brian that last week the problem stemmed from weak writing. Here's hoping they get back to the solid writing they were doing before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-72413932176355127402007-02-26T13:31:00.000-05:002007-02-26T13:31:00.000-05:00My own two cents...I have said before in the past ...My own two cents...<BR/><BR/>I have said before in the past that the "sickness" was a character on the show that did it's purpose and then was abandoned...I believe the whispering others and freaky bare feet scene was another abandoned idea. It served it's purpose...got us thinking bad stuff about the others , and now we are to believe they are NOT like that.<BR/><BR/>The truth is, in this type of show...we are going to have to assume several times a season that what WAS is not as it seemed. We are only seeing one perspective at a time, and then shown a "light" on the scene down the road. Each episode DOES reveal quite a bit, you just have to look beyond what you think you know and what you WANT it to be.<BR/><BR/>I think that every episode I have not yet seen is a GREAT episode, for the simple fact that it is not a repeat and it does move forward, even if it is slow. It is a WEEKLY show, what else do you expect!<BR/><BR/>Just my thoughts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-90340129798563354052007-02-26T09:42:00.000-05:002007-02-26T09:42:00.000-05:00My two cents:Is it possible, with all this time wa...My two cents:<BR/><BR/>Is it possible, with all this time warp discussion, that the people we saw with the run down teddy bear are in fact those kids in the future? It would make sense that the Other society falls/breaks down in the upcoming years and the remaining Others have to live a primitive lifestyle. As the child wants to hold on to what was once normal, he carries around his worn down teddy bear even at an older age. To me, it all fits logically (if anything really does in the world of LOST).<BR/><BR/>Additionally, how come no one is commenting that Crazy Carl had no clue what the Brady Bunch was? I mean, it is possibly one of the most recognizable shows world-wide. Clearly he lived either an EXTREMELY sheltered life or has been on the island since near infancy.<BR/><BR/>Just thought I would finally comment- long time reader, rare poster. love the site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-51551341565326641032007-02-26T09:17:00.000-05:002007-02-26T09:17:00.000-05:00very nice!i totally agree with you about about the...very nice!<BR/><BR/>i totally agree with you about about the storytelling thing.<BR/><BR/>cheers..https://www.blogger.com/profile/02286530803670345873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-12545351417149600432007-02-26T09:08:00.000-05:002007-02-26T09:08:00.000-05:00Well done - that's a lot more than I could have co...Well done - that's a lot more than I could have come up with in this episode. Thanks for all this brilliant analysis. <BR/><BR/>One thing though - you are totally wrong about comics vs novels. :P I tend think of the very best comics (someone mentioned Sandman) as equal to some of the most complex novels. And let's face it, lots of novels (trashy airport novels, an overwhelming amount of chick lit) have little to no literary value beyond quick escapism and are completely predictable in plot and substance. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, there's really not much more to say about this episode. I didn't hate it as much as some people did, except for the absolutely horrible and cheesy swelling strings music at the end. Dear LOST music supervisor, please go back to that whole minimalist aesthetic, thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37744784938769228472007-02-26T06:07:00.000-05:002007-02-26T06:07:00.000-05:00A plausible explanation as to why Sawyer didn't in...A plausible explanation as to why Sawyer didn't interrogate Carl was due to him apparently remaining in a trance like state from room #23. Any info he may have imparted could'nt be trusted anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-21974012511195736872007-02-26T02:25:00.000-05:002007-02-26T02:25:00.000-05:00Whoops - that was my last post about Jack and tatt...Whoops - that was my last post about Jack and tattoo's - forgot to sign my name...<BR/><BR/>Juliet and the Scarlet Fairy Wand Symbol:<BR/>Did it strike you that the others seem to go out of their way to "let" Jack see how they were ill-treating Juliet? Jack is led in to see Sheriff Izzie and it's timed perfectly in slo-mo so he passes a handcuffed Juliet looking quite forlorn. <BR/><BR/>He then has to rat out on Juliet or not in front of her accusers with Sherrif cult-like Izzie asking him "Why are you lying for her, Jack?" I mean they are trying to set him up to want to lie for her by challenging him like that, aren't they, especially knowing his penchant for loyalty? They do have his file...<BR/><BR/>But is Jack really taking the bait, or is he just faking it? <BR/><BR/>Later heartbroken Alex breaks the camera (why do they let Ben's poor angry child wander around?) and ends up conveniently telling Jack about Juliet's trial and that she will no doubt be killed. Jack then saves Juliet via Ben (getting to see her handcuffed in front of a jury of her peers - a very vulnerable image indeed.) Finally a weak Juliet brings him food and Jack insists on rubbing aloe on the cruel brand she got as he tells her they "will get off the island by working together". Finally in the twilight as the boat with Ben heads back to the island both Jack and Juliet are together on the prow facing the future as one. Creeeepppppy! Is Jack really going for all this? Is his fate to always have to save someone, and another blonde at that? Will the others use Juliet to keep him there by telling him they will kill her if he tries to leave? Or do they want Jack and Juliet to have babies together and this whole entire thing is about babies? Or is she really honest but also has the unique ability to kill people without feeling remorse whatsoever? Or is Juliet really a tortured person and I am totally off on this?<BR/><BR/>Or will Jack indeed become their leader because Ben will die and they need a leader and another great man. After all, they always say, "Ben is a great man".<BR/><BR/>Or will Jack come to his senses. After all, he must realise the only way off the island for all his friends is to infiltrate the others. That would be what I would expect Jack to do. That may be why he told Kate to promise not to come back. In other words, I have a plan. I mean Jack is clear about what he thinks of the others, as he told Tom. <BR/><BR/>If he is going to be true to himself, he is going to save as many people as possible, including the brainwashed others who want to leave and then he will split to get his lostie pals too. Ah, who knows! <BR/><BR/>Zombie watchers and the kids:<BR/>The scenes with Cindy and the kids wandering around as watchers was mesmorizing. They were obviously all brainwashed. I mean here is blow dried hair Cindy and the kids looking all scrubbed nice with a clean bear speaking to Jack as if it was a totally normal thing he should look like hell and be locked in an animal cage while they are free walking around. "Hi Jack, it's me Cindy from the plane! Yep. Howdy there! Hey, the kids want to know how Ana Lucia is! " Helloooo!! Ana is dead! Can't you see I am in a stinking rotten cage here?? Whew. Lots of mind candy being given here to these people.<BR/><BR/>Skate: <BR/>With Sawyer bossing Kate around (she hates that) and telling her how she feels (she hates that) - things seem back to normal there. Sawyer letting CCarl go with some sappy talk (wha'?) was odd but then Sawyer did sacrifice himself for Kate several times; maybe we were supposed to remember he loves her and is naming stars after her. Like we already know that. Sigh. Of course in the next scene he will say some rotten thing to push her away, such as "you are feeling guilty about us no doubt..." Ouch! Sawyer you are a dumb sh__! <BR/><BR/>Kate is back to wondering why she ever let him in. Is her fate to be alone? She is already focused on finding a way to get Jack back anyway. She will no doubt go off on her own and maybe run into Sayid and Locke or something to help her - even though she promised not to. <BR/> <BR/>For now I am still in the camp that thinks we have one group of others, with maybe some rebels in the group keeping a low profile, plus a few rogues such as Mr Eye Patch and CFL. <BR/> <BR/>- WebuffyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-23372089602994234392007-02-26T02:02:00.000-05:002007-02-26T02:02:00.000-05:00Jack's tattoo:I agree the Jack Thailand journey is...Jack's tattoo:<BR/><BR/>I agree the Jack Thailand journey is a bit weak but I got a few things from it. I do question it's place in this week's storyline with Juliet so maybe that is a disconnect. <BR/><BR/>In any case, I agree that the scene with Jack intensely needing Achara to tell him about himself (great acting by Fox) and her revealing that "he is a great man and a lonely angry leader" did seem like a big let down. I wanted her to say something more about Jack. Like maybe that he has a gift or something - I dunno. Anyway, Jack's reaction was interesting. It was like yet again he was hearing he was not normal and he did not want to believe that. He really does not want to hear that he is a great man and a leader. I mean if you are a natural leader like Jack and destined for greatness (Jack is a great surgeon) and your Dad constantly mocked you for it then you may not want that role. From Jack's youth, he has taken the savior role (getting beat up for a classmate etc) and his Dad was pretty rotten to him about it. <BR/><BR/>So his reaction seemed to be finally resigned to it as if he knew it was his fate all along to be a leader etc and no matter what he wanted the tattoo to seal his fate. <BR/><BR/>Even with the tattoo he still is in conflict with leaderhip on the island yet people flock to him as the leader, as Locke tells him. But he would not tell Kate what his tattoos meant... Well, no matter what we should at least all be happy to finally learn what his tattoos mean!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-3944252290259683232007-02-26T00:26:00.000-05:002007-02-26T00:26:00.000-05:00I would be much more interested to see Locke and S...I would be much more interested to see Locke and Sayid hunt for Patchy and the other hatches instead of Jack....just throwin that out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37457348776809726352007-02-25T20:41:00.000-05:002007-02-25T20:41:00.000-05:00Perhaps the barefoot days in the jungle with the t...Perhaps the barefoot days in the jungle with the teddy bear in a noose are all part of a brainwashing phase. A few new "recruits," or just the children, are taken on a kind of wacked out Outward Bound experience. They are then "rescued" and brought to the village with backyards and plumbing and Stephen King ... virtually all the comforts of home. Seems like a kind of common technique.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06314376712900733054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-70107250412136224082007-02-25T20:40:00.000-05:002007-02-25T20:40:00.000-05:00I don't understand what Karl said: He'll kill you....I don't understand what Karl said: He'll kill you. God loves you as he loved Jacob."<BR/><BR/>What's that about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-28048465956947684792007-02-25T20:37:00.000-05:002007-02-25T20:37:00.000-05:00That wasn't an attack, and I didn't say that I was...That wasn't an attack, and I didn't say that I wasn't disappointed with Stranger in a Strange Land. Sure, the episode dropped off a little bit from the previous week, but calling it an embarrassing episode? I think that's a little harsh. What made it an embarrassment? I don't understand that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-11181356684395301742007-02-25T20:29:00.000-05:002007-02-25T20:29:00.000-05:00Wow! You brought out some interesting points! I a...Wow! You brought out some interesting points! I also second the motion of the person who said they should hire you as a writer for Lost. You're ideas for the encounter with Cindy and between Kate, Sawyer and Karl were excellent. <BR/><BR/>The biggest revelation that you pointed out was Jack replacing Ethan as the Surgeon. That all makes sense now, but not until it was revealed that Ethan was their surgeon. <BR/><BR/>The idea of the Jack not going back with the Losties is another interesting point. We know they're coming! But with this show, we're always left guessing!<BR/><BR/>One tidbit that I don'r remember reading, Karls uttering of "God Loves you as he Loved Jacob". Obviously the Rave Room had an effect on him. <BR/><BR/>Joe D, Discusion is healthy, it's when you attack others that things get ugly. Not every episode is going to be the good, even on the best of programs, Lost included, but this doesn't degrade the appeal of the show. If we didn't like Lost, why would we be here? I'm glad that you weren't disapointed by this episode, but but you need to respect the opinions of 'others'. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-71921781423134278562007-02-25T19:20:00.000-05:002007-02-25T19:20:00.000-05:00Hokay... regarding the Teddy, it's possible that t...Hokay... regarding the Teddy, it's possible that the bear was "dressed up" per the Others' costume standard, or it may be another indication of "funky time" (although this would necessitate actual time-travel, something I'm not to keen on happening). I hope there will be a better explanation than either of these.<BR/><BR/>Also, I feel self-importantly compelled to make a comment about comics - while for the most part you've hit it square with your summing up comics as being essentially a "whizz-bang, ooh, excitement!" medium, there are a few particluarly exceptional pieces of writing in comics (read: Sandman, Watchmen) which I recommend to anyone and everyone. These two have won huge critical acclaim (one of the Sandman stories even won an award for fantasy writing) so there's certainly no writing them off as simple flashy excitment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-67418060673152758712007-02-25T18:45:00.000-05:002007-02-25T18:45:00.000-05:00I have a good idea for you then..Since you obvious...I have a good idea for you then..Since you obviously don't like the show, why don't you start watching American Idol instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-31571180676646119792007-02-25T17:37:00.000-05:002007-02-25T17:37:00.000-05:00Really an embarrassing episode. And get ready for...Really an embarrassing episode. And get ready for a complete throwaway of an episode this week. <BR/><BR/>In re: Juliet's brand, The Tail Section has it that the brand is an upside-down scientology cross.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-69372573598580110192007-02-25T17:32:00.000-05:002007-02-25T17:32:00.000-05:00Maybe the spooky others are just part of their dre...Maybe the spooky others are just part of their dress up regime. Like with the fake beards and ripped clothing thing when they fooled Mike. <BR/>Maybe they even wanted to dress up their Teddy Bear? Who knowsUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10421731659175151589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-57037219339997082022007-02-25T16:56:00.000-05:002007-02-25T16:56:00.000-05:00I like the idea of multiple "others". It would bet...I like the idea of multiple "others". It would better explain the whispers, the people who can walk through the jungle barefoot without leaving a footprint (honestly, do the current others look like they could do that?), and maybe even the disease.<BR/>Either that (and right now... more likely) or the disease, the creepy jungle others, and the whispers have just been ignored and forgotten as the writers move forward, and the audience hardly notices because it all happened so long ago.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056595075245293492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-19307252323862621862007-02-25T16:51:00.000-05:002007-02-25T16:51:00.000-05:00One more thing. The way we're learning about the O...One more thing. The way we're learning about the Others' society - by watching - reminds me a great deal of a really fun project we did in 5th grade. Bear with me...<BR/><BR/>My fifth grade class and the class across the hall did a weeklong project for social studies where we were trying to learn what "culture" was. We each spent our social studies hours on Monday - Thursday being really creative thinking up a new culture for our class. We came up with things like "everyone always wears blue" and identified who our leaders would be and came up with a variety of social rules and language quirks. We then used these rules (norms and mores) to practice "living" as our culture for about 1/2 an hour at a time. The other 5th grade class did the same thing. <BR/><BR/>Then, on Friday, they came over to watch us "live" our culture (and vice versa) and they had to observe and pay close attention to clues as we just went about our business. The goal was that they had to identify all of our rules just by observing, and none of us could outright explain them to them. And by watching, pretty much each class was able to pick out language rules, leaders, and other aspects of the "new" culture, it just took time.<BR/><BR/>See where I'm going with this? :-) I think it's helpful to reminder ourselves that the Others aren't going to just sit down and give us an "Others 101" lecture - we have to learn by observing. And I thought this week's example of governing and justice was a pretty huge reveal - they have a society based on a rule of law and punishment. Fascinating!Stefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024186205791001584noreply@blogger.com