tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post3055570625210171630..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "Sundown" Analysis!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-5506702960425188782021-12-17T06:58:41.935-05:002021-12-17T06:58:41.935-05:00Packers and Movers in India online<a href="https://www.householdpackers.com/" rel="nofollow">Packers and Movers in India online</a> <br />Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345431336454023899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-87835557781985798092010-03-08T16:53:18.078-05:002010-03-08T16:53:18.078-05:00I can't help but think that one of the central...I can't help but think that one of the central themes of lost is that the island works as a character... what if it literally is a character? Smokey and Jacob were merely manifestations of the different sides of the island, but the need to restore Jacob is a need to restore the inner balance of the magical character that is the island.<br />The illustration is the angel on one shoulder the demon on the other... what if someone didn't have the angel, the quest is to restore it as a personal need. <br /><br />all that to be said, but maybe the island wants Jacob to be restored. The smoke monster is the defense system in the same way a person has parts of their personality that serve as defense from further injury.<br />This analogy breaks down quickly, but i am just wondering if the island is to be revealed as a character propper and that the island wants a Jacob again as a need to balance within itself.robpatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12379298087950126226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-63951762621639815782010-03-08T12:34:23.586-05:002010-03-08T12:34:23.586-05:00Brian,
Have you ever thought about this...?
What ...Brian,<br />Have you ever thought about this...?<br /><br />What was the "Lost" pitch like from the producers to the network? In other words, the producers walked into a meeting at ABC and said "Lost is a show about a plane that crashes on a mysterious island and the survivors of that crash come to learn ...(fill in the blank).<br /><br />If they knew all along what they were doing with the show, it would complete that sentence. Obviously, 6 seasons later, a lot has happened in between. Do you think that vision ever changed?Dave Hartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14788810146869823651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-16004274496442580562010-03-08T10:15:45.302-05:002010-03-08T10:15:45.302-05:00ps - I think Locke will be resurrected and take on...ps - I think Locke will be resurrected and take on Jacob. Those Last Supper pics show two sides, with one man in the middle - that one man will represent both sides. Furthering Brian's take on Jaocb and Smokey being 2 sides to the same being. Also, Locke was wearing a suit in the coffin, so he'll have a white shirt on. Light Locke and Dark Locke.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972887950765224772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-27419980890632820092010-03-08T09:56:22.252-05:002010-03-08T09:56:22.252-05:00Brian - great job. Your answer to Laurie's qu...Brian - great job. Your answer to Laurie's question was one I have been thinking of since Faraday did that time experiment on the island with that missile (?) from the freighter. I also think the island exists on its own time. <br />You may think it is 1950 or 1977 or 2004, but once you enter the island zone, you enter a totally different time. But everyone thinks its their 'present'.<br /><br />Also, have you noticed that multiple times the island characters have needed others to do their dirty work? Smokey with Claire and the temple. Smokey with Ben killing Jacob. Dogen with Jack and the poison pill. Dogen with Sayid and the suicide mission. Jacob with Hurley. Richard with Sawyer killing Locke's dad. etc. It looks like people must choose to do what they do - free will - even if they are being manipulated to do it. These island entities must figure out a way to move their pawns in this big chess game. But now the players of the game are dwindling, and the last player standing wins, perhaps?<br /><br />Regarding Dogen and Lennon - maybe when/if Jacob takes over a body, the hot tub will become clear again, and Dogen & Lennon will be healed and join back up with that side? (It is all product placement for the new movie Hot Tub Time Machine)<br /><br />Lastly, I am down with Jacob/Smokey being two sides of the same being. It makes the big reveal of Smokey's name huge and relevant.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972887950765224772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-21918393075433130172010-03-08T09:35:53.729-05:002010-03-08T09:35:53.729-05:00Moglee
I agree. The loophole has never been expla...Moglee<br /><br />I agree. The loophole has never been explained. This is another big reveal that has to come up to explain how everything works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-85947867459007911042010-03-08T06:07:48.374-05:002010-03-08T06:07:48.374-05:00Mammoth effort Brian, thanks!
Brian said:
"...Mammoth effort Brian, thanks!<br /><br />Brian said: <br />"What if the Island represents the “crossroads” of a number of different alternate realities?"<br /><br />That comment really stood out for me - and by extension imagine the power someone could wield with that knowledge as well as the means to control it. Totally makes sense why people would be drawn to it, even if some of them didnt know why :-)<br /><br />Hope you continue to flesh it out!Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00283310921246507676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-8336345915087653922010-03-07T23:21:10.850-05:002010-03-07T23:21:10.850-05:00Brian, you make me want to be a better man. Thank...Brian, you make me want to be a better man. Thanks for spending the time and thinking things through.robpatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12379298087950126226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-15436472066045512762010-03-07T22:41:32.245-05:002010-03-07T22:41:32.245-05:00So have you seen the movie Dogma - the plot point ...So have you seen the movie <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_%28film%29" rel="nofollow">Dogma</a> - the plot point there was two fallen angels destroying existence by finding a way to return to heaven. If you remember, Ben said that anyone who turns the FDW cannot ever come back to the island. But Ben DID come back to the island - maybe that IS the loophole and that is why Ben and only Ben could kill Jacob since he had in effect broken Jacob's rules, thus placing himself outside of them somehow? (Note: Locke too turned the wheel - but he didn't come back; not alive at least!)Ashish Vashishthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046400132086603221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56273234335285568912010-03-07T22:02:46.910-05:002010-03-07T22:02:46.910-05:00Heat - No, you're not going crazy. Locke'...<b> Heat </b> - No, you're not going crazy. Locke's body is not buried anywhere near the Four Toed Statue - it's right next to the Survivor's Beach Camp, where all the other Survivors who died on the Island are buried... which obviously is quite a ways away from the Four Toed Statue, or else we would have seen it in Season One.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-26469766385236840912010-03-07T20:18:46.423-05:002010-03-07T20:18:46.423-05:00Previously, a few people have made comments about ...Previously, a few people have made comments about Locke coming back to life because he was buried in the "shadow of the statue". But, they buried Locke in Boone's cemetary with everyone else right? I didn't think that was anywhere near the statue. Am I wrong?Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05384047199435753656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-83928369742221901952010-03-07T19:42:47.075-05:002010-03-07T19:42:47.075-05:00Greg C,
And Smoke Locke being The Crimson King? I...Greg C,<br /><br />And Smoke Locke being The Crimson King? If the "lynchpin" theory is correct I will be pissed.Boston Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12199451349176932155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-33780251966096382612010-03-07T18:16:59.128-05:002010-03-07T18:16:59.128-05:00wow Brian, just wow! how do you do it?
Funny I ki...wow Brian, just wow! how do you do it?<br /><br />Funny I kind of like the idea of cave skeletons being paternal to Jacob and AJ or perhaps hopefully, at the very least predecessors to their roles. If Jacob and AJ currently represent the White/Black “entities” then perhaps the adam/eve skeletons were the previous “protector of the island” title bearer’s. Perhaps then to save everything it is Jack who becomes the next “light side guy” (not a surprise), SmokeLocke dies (again no surprise, he has to die) but then perhaps it is Kate who becomes the new “dark side gal”. And then of course because of their love for each other the scales will be in balance, all will be saved. But would they (the entity known as Dalton) really do that to us?<br /><br />On the topic of Jacob and Bocaj (Ok, ok that was cheesy too). I said Bocaj for the “mirrored” effect by which I've been thinking about Jacob and SmokeLocke. What one can do expect the other can do; a perfect balance between two energies? The embodiment of these energies can be harnessed to do ... anything! <br /><br />Perhaps when Hurley was being visited by ghosts it was actually Jacob who was manifesting as those people; much in the way that Smokey would appear to people. <br /><br />I also have been thinking that is was Jacob who appeared as Ben’s mother. Which kind of has me thinking Ben is surprisingly on the side of the good guys, after all he quickly realized he was manipulated by AJ. <br /><br />I can’t recall exactly when but I remember putting the idea out there before that when Kate and Juliette were handcuffed together (meow) and running through the jungle being chased by Smokey. They hid in a patch of trees and when Smokey attacked there were flashes of light that seemed to have saved K & J. At the time I thought it was Juliette’s branding she had received from the Others. I assume now it was because of the importance of Kate and that she is a “Protected Candidate” (as I said earlier a candidate for the “dark side”. But regardless I think it was the “light” manifestation of Jacob that saved them, Kate and Juliette.<br /><br />AJ said he was just a man once (or something like that). Perhaps the boy who had appeared to him (and Sawyer) was AJ’s son from his before island/smoke monster life. And essentially Jacob had “claimed” AJ’s son or ended up the light side for whatever reason. Although that is not to say Jacob is AJ’s son. Just that Jacob appeared as him.<br /><br />It was also this mirrored effect that had me thinking the Island was a connection between the two mirrors. But I’m still not convinced about the whole sideway’s flashes. I still don’t think that Jughead has anything to do with the LA X side. But it could just be an “Easter Egg” to show us a life without the Island. – I don’t know, the jury’s still out on the Sideway’s Flashes. Now, the good fortune side of it all could be tied to AJ and deals. Remember, Claire (I am certain) is about to inherit something from her Dad’s Will and she’ll get to raise Aaron. Kate is actually innocent on the sideway’s side.<br /><br /><br />As for Jack’s whole appendix issue versus the sideways flashes:<br /><br />At the lighthouse when the mirrors flashed to Jack’s setting he said it was a house from his childhood. Perhaps this is when his appendix originally burst. But perhaps in the normal timeline Jacob had saved Jack as a boy too. In the Sideway’s flashes Jack’s Dad found him etc etc.Hobbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09691556573260082346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-27397132729136887772010-03-07T13:44:42.864-05:002010-03-07T13:44:42.864-05:00question about Adam & Eve:
In season 1, did Ja...question about Adam & Eve:<br />In season 1, did Jack say they had been dead for 40-50 years or did he say that they were 40-50 years old when they died?? Can't remember his phrasing. Can anyone remember?Kris Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06925806578727878426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-59031889487478469092010-03-07T10:29:54.584-05:002010-03-07T10:29:54.584-05:00If the theory is that the Island is the common lin...If the theory is that the Island is the common link between multiple 'realities', and the island is underwater in the flash sideways, then it can no longer be the link.. right? <br /><br />That would suggest your theory that the flash sideways shows realities bleeding together(or did I read that wrong). I'm thinking Jacks scar was a good example.<br /><br />This would mean that Jughead HAD to do something. However I do agree that this somethind always happened(whatever happened, happened) and a lot of the plot may have always been to fix this alternate timeline. Widmore may know of it.<br /><br />One more note: Widmore may be on team smokey. Reason: He send Keamy to kill every living thing on the island. Brian suggested that having living being on the island may be key to Smokey's release. There is the possibility that he wants smokey gone to save jacob but note that widmore and ben have a similar game to jacob and anti-jacob. If you think about it, Ben manipulates people in ways not unlike Jacob, something that is deceptive and what I would hardly feel good. But as Ben said "we're the good guys'.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-6998434480646602882010-03-07T10:21:08.549-05:002010-03-07T10:21:08.549-05:00Wow..I've only read about half of this. Kudos ...Wow..I've only read about half of this. Kudos for not only responsing but with such detail and insight. I may not be able to finish this in one sitting.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-30012651867561439112010-03-07T08:52:57.219-05:002010-03-07T08:52:57.219-05:00Meh - oh yeah, that happened.
I'm an idiot.<b> Meh </b> - oh yeah, that happened.<br /><br />I'm an idiot.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-53046498729228616012010-03-07T08:14:47.312-05:002010-03-07T08:14:47.312-05:00What if Sawyer gets in the outrigger to chase down...What if Sawyer gets in the outrigger to chase down Juliet to warn her about how she dies. In the hope he can save her.MR. Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10565502790481417700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-54008883745014086232010-03-07T04:16:27.999-05:002010-03-07T04:16:27.999-05:00@stephenf44, good theory about the ash circle but ...@stephenf44, good theory about the ash circle but about Anti-Jacob leaving the cabin; the ash circle was broken, this was how he got out. I think it's not related to the one that made the ash circle around the cabinUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028740432930924195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-28508115370720412822010-03-07T01:30:19.981-05:002010-03-07T01:30:19.981-05:00Terrific blog -- maybe you can do this again after...Terrific blog -- maybe you can do this again after Lost is over, for all the inevitable unanswered questions.<br /><br />Anyway, about that ash... <br /><br />Maybe the ash lines are similar to how kids draw chalk lines on pavement and tell others not to cross it because everything on one side of the line "belongs to them". Dogen, as Jacob's proxy, marked his Temple territory with the ash, and by the rules of this game, Smokey couldn't cross it and enter Jacob-land. <br /><br />But once Dogen was killed (i.e, once the player leaves the game), his territory becomes "open", and Smokey can rampage through the Temple and bust a few skulls.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I'm not sure how this "ash as marking territory" theory explains how Smokey was trapped in the cabin. Maybe Smokey got out when whoever marked the cabin died (whoever that is, although it's not Jacob or Dogen, obviously.) Or maybe the ash itself had nothing to do with Smokey being trapped -- maybe it was something else, like the <br />tapestry that Iliana found torn up.<br /><br />Anyway, just a thought. Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-66277038160753476712010-03-06T22:58:41.436-05:002010-03-06T22:58:41.436-05:00Claire left without looking for Aaron because Kate...Claire left without looking for Aaron because Kate admitted to her that she had taken him off the Island. Kate better sleep with one eye open!Mehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05810719556466875484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-43407959299264280322010-03-06T19:56:00.473-05:002010-03-06T19:56:00.473-05:00So with the Island being the "lynchpin" ...So with the Island being the "lynchpin" of all the worlds, you think it's something similar to the Dark Tower series? Is there one "keystone" world, and everything else is just a variation on it? Jack = Roland?Greg C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11834147657844130092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37836159061986275932010-03-06T18:47:08.403-05:002010-03-06T18:47:08.403-05:00Thanks Brian, what a way to spend your Saturday! A...Thanks Brian, what a way to spend your Saturday! And I'm not convinced we won't see past dead survivors again on the island as being "claimed". I can definitely see Ethan or Keamy being brought back on team Smokey. They just seem like "claimed" material.Isaachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12663312526436081905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-42605810346553555612010-03-06T18:26:01.549-05:002010-03-06T18:26:01.549-05:00Smokey/Fake Locke needed help getting into the tem...Smokey/Fake Locke needed help getting into the temple right? So maybe before Claire entered the temple she broke the ash ring. Not sure I like this theory, but just throwing it out there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10421731659175151589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-74338823145867248732010-03-06T18:20:20.375-05:002010-03-06T18:20:20.375-05:00Thanks for the answers Brian..Thanks for the answers Brian..Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02028740432930924195noreply@blogger.com