tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post2228174833898220602..comments2024-01-06T04:42:25.811-05:00Comments on Lost... and Gone Forever: "The Substitute" Analysis!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-14339758109636133612010-02-25T19:20:02.897-05:002010-02-25T19:20:02.897-05:00I don't have a screenshot, but I've got to...I don't have a screenshot, but I've got to point this out, because I know I can't be the only one to think it.<br /><br />When AJ is trying to convince Richard to come with him, he says, fake-incredulously, "You mean you've been going along with it the whole time and you never knew why?"<br />At that moment, the beaten, sad-puppy look on Richard's face was just <i>perfect</i>. To me it seemed to represent all the die-hard Lost fans, and how beat-up and pitifully desperate for answers we all feel.<br />:DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056595075245293492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-27038328339352012112010-02-23T01:54:21.623-05:002010-02-23T01:54:21.623-05:00what about the two stones on the balance? the blac...what about the two stones on the balance? the black and white one? and fake locke picks up the white stone and hurls into the ocean?<br />sawyer: "what was that about?"<br />Flocke: "inside joke"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-37022025513735589102010-02-22T17:46:54.390-05:002010-02-22T17:46:54.390-05:00Great Analysis.
I like the idea of Sawyer and Jack...Great Analysis.<br />I like the idea of Sawyer and Jack eventually filling the roles of Smokey and Jacob. It seems to fit their personalities and the way we have come to know them. Interesting that Jack feels people's lives are in his hands. Right now Sawyer's mental state seems to be the same as Smokeys, but that assumes that Smokey has always wanted to get off the island.<br />Something interesting is looking at these same roles in the Ben and Whidmore conflict that also have "rules". Whidmore seems to want only to get back on the island and Ben seems to work to keep Whidmore trapped not on the island. Its almost the opposite of the Smokey Jacob roles.<br />The last thing i would like your thoughts on: We are nearing the end of the whole series so we are trying to guess the outcome. My only problem with what were coming up with is that the resolution is going to have to payoff for all viewers... not just to superanalytical types. That means fundamentally we are going to have to feel the characters got resolution to all their inner conflicts that the show has been incredibly concerned for. We get upset when there are episodes that are just back story to color the characters. Now this season seems to be all about the smokey / jacob conflict on the island and off island seems to be just about the characters lives without the island. Somehow the resolution can't just be jacob winning, or beating smokey, its going to have to come in the form of personal payoff of the characters lives. We are going to have to be glad that sawyer would be imprisoned as the new smokey, or that Jack can live on the island as jacob... similar to how we are satisfied with Rose just living out her days in paradise. We are going to have to have individual conclusions to a show that has been about individual characters. All that said that i don't know if the writers are chiefly concerned with explaining the stuff we want to know... they are going to have to finish telling these stories of the character's lives.robpatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12379298087950126226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-89219447031021785312010-02-22T16:44:26.336-05:002010-02-22T16:44:26.336-05:00EW: In last week’s episode, Ilana said that Smokey...EW: In last week’s episode, Ilana said that Smokey is “recruiting,” and we saw him go after Richard Alpert and Sawyer. Is his first order of business to recruit all of the castaways?<br />Terry O'quinn: There’s some recruiting that goes on. We’re doing an episode now called “The Last Recruit.” He has a purpose. As you know, all of a sudden, they’re establishing all these rules. “You can’t do this unless this…” It’s like a children’s game. We keep making up new rules [laughs]. So the recruiting has to do with fulfilling the rules.reeseehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12095863731689275751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-33113831015477924332010-02-22T14:29:32.612-05:002010-02-22T14:29:32.612-05:00i like that idea of Sawyer taking over island secu...i like that idea of Sawyer taking over island security and the foershadowing of it...<br /><br />as for jacob's replacement, i dig the idea of hurley... acutually, in the current off-island storyline, he already is directing Lock's life (and Rose?) and maybe well see him get involved with the other survivors off island too. plus he's rich like whidmore...<br /><br />agree that jacob goes back way further.. i think brian came up with 1500 to explain the eurpoean physical features of jacob, but i don't think there is any reason to assume the island was always in the pacific, we know it moves.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017680084634993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-23252988659206768382010-02-22T13:30:25.596-05:002010-02-22T13:30:25.596-05:00Theyab,
Hmmm...interesting. Jack became the leade...Theyab,<br /><br />Hmmm...interesting. Jack became the leader of the Oceanic survivors, and Sawyer was head of security for Dharma. If I were the mystical island power, I'd hire them!<br />And there is that rivalry between the two of them...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16159863339687779266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-2769924981610640452010-02-22T12:50:27.124-05:002010-02-22T12:50:27.124-05:00Catherine,
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe h...Catherine,<br /><br />I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he is tricking Sawyer into being his replacement so he can leave and Sawyer becomes Smokey. So Jack becomes Jacob and Sawyer becomes Anti-Jacob.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01728809361107190920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-86255347390945453962010-02-22T09:31:26.373-05:002010-02-22T09:31:26.373-05:00I'm interested to find out who determined and ...I'm interested to find out who determined and then distributed "the rules". As Brian points out, they must have come from someone above Jacob, Anti-Jacob, and anyone else we've seen. And how are they enforced?<br /><br />Also, I don't think Jacob was using the FDW to move through space and time. Widmore had the "landing spot" staked out and would have seen Jacob, at least when he came back to see Hurley just before he got on the Ajira flight.Dave Hartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14788810146869823651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-52855483724029251092010-02-21T12:42:04.161-05:002010-02-21T12:42:04.161-05:00I'm still confused about exactly what is going...I'm still confused about exactly what is going on. So if Jacob is looking for a replacement (hence the candidates), why can't Anti-Jacob look for a replacement for the Security System role too (if he just wants to go home)?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16159863339687779266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-20238292466927670312010-02-21T07:47:10.679-05:002010-02-21T07:47:10.679-05:00my guess to the bloody kid: it's smokey's ...my guess to the bloody kid: it's smokey's son. the one he loved and lost (sometimes in the past).<br />smokey's been quite emotional in this whole episode, he tells sawyer about him once being a normal man (with a normal life? - a normal family?). the writers def want to give the character of smokey "more heart", a depth, want to establish him as a character, make him more human, so the audience can emphasize with him. easy way to do so, is to give the character a backstory wound, to make his actions understandable.<br />besides, why would jacob appear as a child instead of a grown man as he appeared to hurley.<br /><br />just a wild guess, tho. =)<br /><br />keep up the good work. ^^Marec van Wareckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720879850470644309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1557479696809714202010-02-21T06:37:16.158-05:002010-02-21T06:37:16.158-05:00Steve: If you watch the episode again, it's no...Steve: If you watch the episode again, it's not that Richard can't see Bloody Kid/Little Jacob, it's just that he's disappeared by the time Richard looks.<br /><br />Also, I think the point is that Jacob and Smokey have always existed on the island in some form, but their roles have been fulfilled by different people over the centuries. Jacob took over being Jacob from someone else, just as one of the Candidates will take over for him. I imagine the same is true for Smokey.<br /><br />So the heiroglyphics show that Smokey has always (more or less) protected the Island, but I think he's been embodied by a number of different people over time.Khmer Rougehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08434815383922831226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56325271617796635622010-02-20T17:19:49.743-05:002010-02-20T17:19:49.743-05:00Brian: Jacob has been on the island longer than y...Brian: Jacob has been on the island longer than you say. Note his papyrus/weavings. I don't know whether he learned this from who he inherited it from, or whether he ties back to those days.<br /><br />Smokey is in hyroplyphs as well..Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-82879415915787254652010-02-20T17:15:56.245-05:002010-02-20T17:15:56.245-05:00Flocke seemed surprised that Sawyer could see the ...Flocke seemed surprised that Sawyer could see the child. Alpert could not. Sawyer is 'special' in some way. Who else saw Kates horse, i can't remember if it was Jack or Sawyer. <br /><br />Jack kept seeing his father, Sawyer could obviously see things. Ben could see his 'mother', Sayid saw Walt, and hurkey saw Jacob, and lots of all sorts of things. All these characters were touched by Jacob.<br /><br />One other question, I don't remember, did Jacob touch Sun or Jin? that would explain which one is on the list.<br /><br />I don't think that is smokeys cave. He seems sincere when he said he didn't know if it was Sun or Jin on the list. Jacob had many homes... at least 3 that we've seen.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781568428241806798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-44562544399309545852010-02-20T16:35:15.431-05:002010-02-20T16:35:15.431-05:00On the note that everyone is wondering if the kid ...On the note that everyone is wondering if the kid is Aaron or child Jacob.. it made me think this..<br /><br />Remember back in season 2 when they had an entire episode about making sure Aaron gets baptized? Why would that be so important if it wasn't something Jacob/AJ wanted to happen in the bigger picture?Ryan71https://www.blogger.com/profile/05345877073627575964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-29371022838880145122010-02-20T13:41:36.717-05:002010-02-20T13:41:36.717-05:00This is very interesting and feel it is on the mar...This is very interesting and feel it is on the mark but I also feel is it is all about the numbers. The numbers start it and continue it so it is obvious that is ties to the answer. If you look at the work the user for the title "The Substitute" which is temporary or replacement until the actual replacement comes. Locke is the substitute teacher but he is also the substitute body of the smog monster. Everyone is looking for the replacement for Jacob but there will need to be a new replacement for the smog monster since he only wants to get out. The cave was not Jacob place because we all know he resides under the foot of the statue. So you would assume it belongs to the smog monster. Everyone sees Jacob as looking for the replacement but it that cave belongs to smog monster then he too is looking for his replacement. Then you need to look at the two characters of Jacob and smog monster. Only Hurley can see Jacob and smog monster is with Sawyer. Both characters are similar to the one they are with. Now if you look at the numbers they come up though the series in different areas. The numbers show up in Lottery ticket, serial number for hatch, computer password (also note the they had to put it in every 108 minutes which is the numbers added up) etc. Now if this is true then you know that everyone cannot be a replacements. So you would think it would come down to two. As in the universe, there must be balance (darkness and light, good and evil). So what this week told me is a question I have been asking myself, if the numbers that brought them together mean something why were they on Oceanic Flight 815. Now they assign names to numbers it comes to 8-Reyes (Hurley) and 15-Ford (Sawyer). If the are the replacements, that is where it would end and "Everything that happens is just progress"RichBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07008648629679562688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-24603057826685744682010-02-20T10:55:25.425-05:002010-02-20T10:55:25.425-05:00Firstly, Brian you outdid yourself in this analysi...Firstly, Brian you outdid yourself in this analysis. Clearly, this is an excellent example of how your naritive enhances our viewing pleasure each week (even if or when you are wrong btw). <br /><br />Secondly, I also wonder how or if Desmond fits into the balance of this story? Has his role and purpose been played out? <br /><br />Finally, no doubt curious how Whidmore and Mrs Hawkings work into this scheme?jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03079402142400801124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-75536024138364893432010-02-20T10:19:27.922-05:002010-02-20T10:19:27.922-05:00I thought Ilana was crying over what happened to J...I thought Ilana was crying over what happened to Jacob.<br /><br />And what about Desmond and Penny? How do they fit into all of this?CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12457859235778486454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-39716785704914269272010-02-20T10:10:52.902-05:002010-02-20T10:10:52.902-05:00I'm not saying this is important, but I did th...I'm not saying this is important, but I did think it was interesting/ironic. "Shephard" was #23. Psalm 23 is "The Lord is my shephard"...urbanlvrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466880265067401011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-70323185015100164482010-02-20T09:46:14.906-05:002010-02-20T09:46:14.906-05:00Great theories....
2 thoughts:
1. Maybe Smokey go...Great theories....<br />2 thoughts:<br /><br />1. Maybe Smokey got stuck in Locke's form when Locke got buried? That would explain the weirdness that Ilana was willing to go to all that trouble to help bury Locke, meanwhile all her dead friends who she was crying about were rotting in the open air back at the statue. If she knew Locke's body had to be buried for some cosmic reason...<br />2. Smokey attacked Locke once back in the day - tried to drag him down a hole. What's that about?timcourtoishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14477723733745616085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-39246654248940931622010-02-20T09:28:04.731-05:002010-02-20T09:28:04.731-05:00Brian,
I don't think that Smokey killing the ...Brian,<br /><br />I don't think that Smokey killing the pilot and Eko were there just to create excitement and/or to get rid of a character . . . Especially the Pilot . . . definatley not a "hole"<br /><br />The pilot was supposed to be Frank Lepedius. I think Smokey was pissed that, for whatever reason, Lepedius wasn't there. Perhaps "fate" . . . if Lepedius was there then he might have been killed. Perhaps he serves a much bigger purpose. He does say something along the lines "those who claim they are the good guys usually aren't . . . "<br /><br />As for Eko . . . well he was building a church. Perhaps you are only supposed to worship the Island . . . and not bring Man Made other religions into it. He was a man of "mis - guided faith" and Smokey viewed him and his theories as a threat to the Island. (or the writers need a way to kill him that was exciting . . . lol).Boston Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12199451349176932155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-2382719794896713822010-02-20T08:06:58.686-05:002010-02-20T08:06:58.686-05:00Daniel J. DeLawter - Good catch. One of the probl...<b> Daniel J. DeLawter </b> - Good catch. One of the problems with my stream of thought style of writing is that I don't plan ahead and sometimes miss out on certain points that I wanted to make.<br /><br />Widmore and Ben is one of them.<br /><br />They both make mention of the "rules". Are they bound by the same Mystical Island Power Rules as Jacob and Anti-Jacob? I don't think so. Rather, I think that Jacob has passed down his "Ten Commandments" of rules for the Others to live by. They may be the same sort of rules as the Mystical Island Power Rules, but some may differ.<br /><br />The enforcer of these rules is Smokey, thus explaining Ben needing to stand before him for judgment last season.<br /><br />In terms of sides, it's clear that Ben thought he was working for Jacob all along... but was duped into killing Jacob by SmokeLocke. As for Widmore, based on all that he did to help Locke get back to the Island, he's either working for Anti-Jacob (perhaps having been promised ownership of the Island once Anti-Jacob is freed), or he's also been duped.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure this storyline will come back to play in the very near future. They won't just leave us hanging.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-1333339025220006952010-02-20T03:00:26.323-05:002010-02-20T03:00:26.323-05:00Awesome. I think this is what makes it all so much...Awesome. I think this is what makes it all so much fun. The speculation is better than the actual result, most times.<br /><br />In re: the numbers. I made this guess earlier but maybe the significance of the numbers is tied to their association with the "candidates" on the list. Jack was a candidate, and happened to be listed as number whatever, and so that number became important because of Jack.<br />Jacob had prior knowledge of all the opportunities for outsiders to come into contact with the island, due to his ability to travel through time/space/whatever. These opportunities don't come often, so when he saw Oceanic 815 coming, he got his little list of potential people ready. Years in advance, so he could check everyone out.<br />He lists all the people on the ceiling of a cave, gives each a number, and keeps track of their lives.<br />I dunno how this would tie into the numbers being broadcast from the radio tower, or imprinted as serial numbers of the parts of the Swan hatch, but I can't shake the thought that the numbers are important because of the people, not the other way around.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05876128432309397956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-32437357172464027632010-02-20T02:52:27.266-05:002010-02-20T02:52:27.266-05:00Good theories. I really think its a mistake to ig...Good theories. I really think its a mistake to ignore both Ben and Widmore completely, however. 2 seasons of them at each others throats (a shape of things to come?) should not be so quickly dismissed simply because the mythology is ramped up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-90580737963129017822010-02-19T23:27:19.538-05:002010-02-19T23:27:19.538-05:00Extremely well stated theories. Nice workExtremely well stated theories. Nice workJ/Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07439305420652730717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13498413.post-56816431826110767352010-02-19T21:38:31.098-05:002010-02-19T21:38:31.098-05:00Greg C. - Yeah, I've seen that website. Cute ...<b> Greg C. </b> - Yeah, I've seen that website. Cute concept, but the author tries waaaay too hard, and clearly is super familiar with the show and simply acting like he's watching it for the first time to create opportunities to make jokes.<br /><br />Probably would have been better if it was someone actually watching the show for the first time.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810079604280457075noreply@blogger.com